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Just took deliver of my new M39 SKY from Pat Burns. Opened the box and immediately saw major damage on the stock. A huge crack on the side running all the way back under to the mag housing. DAMN!!!! The gun looks fantastic other than that. Metal is in great shape and bore is bright and shiny. If this was a Russian Mosin I would say screw it and just buy a laminated stock from Gunbroker. But This is a Finnish M39 SKY with matching date and stock cartouches on it. And I paid for a stock in minty condition that matched the rifle. A replacement stock ain't gonna cut it. Chances of finding a dated Finnish M39 SKY stock with correct cartouched and dats is slim and none and slim left town.
I e-mailed Pat Burns and sent pictures of the damage. I'll let everyone know what then final result will be.
Something heavy must have tweaked it in the middle. How was it wrapped? Of course bubble wrap isn't gonna protect it from the strong arm don't give a crap tactics of UPS.
#1 I paid for a rifle WITOUT any repairs in excellent condition. I can't do the repairs and quite honestly don't want to do the repairs. The only options I want are a refund or an exchange for a rifle of the same make in identical condition (minus the cracked stock, of course).
#2 I don't think I could ever trust a rifle that was repaired that had that much damage in that location. Before I had it repaired I'd just buy an M91 laminated stock. But that would destroy most of the value of the rifle. So it's not an option.
#3 The rifle was NOT bubble-wrapped. It had newspaper wadded at the muzzle end and at the butt end and cardboard wrapped around the bolt. I have received two other rifles from her packed the same way and no damage on them. But the center of the rifle was NOT supported.
What a shame too. I'm sure she will take care of you.
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I have seen the same type of damage before. It happens
when they put the box in the trailer and it is laying flat over a few boxes with a gap and
then they throw a heavy package on top of it ot they walk on it. I will file a claim with ups
and they might want to see the damage. I will replace the stock after ups confirms they will paying.
Bill
That works for me. I asked if it would have the SKY cartouche and date (43) underneath it. At the very least, I would want the SKY cartouche.
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The commerce which maybe carried on with the people inhabiting the line you will pursue renders a knowledge of these people important ~Thomas Jefferson~ (to- Lewis and Clark)
I would not be so quick to dismiss a repair. There are Master Craftsmen who do nothing else but work with wood. They really do know what they are doing. I know of one such person. Started learning the craft as a young lad in Ireland. He has moved here, and is now an american citizen. He is kind of expensive. But if you want it repaired right, he might be your guy. But there are others for sure. That is what I would use the insurance money for if it were me.
PM me if interested. Otherwise, good luck. Sorry about the troubles.
I agree that if the OP paid for an intact rifle, and that is what he wants, that is what he is entitled to. So other than the damaged rifle, it sounds like the resolution is win/win.
I would be quite content with that damaged rifle, if I got it at a sufficient discount.
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Maybe its just me but I wouldn't be happy having the rifle restocked at all. Even if it were in the 'correct' stock, everytime I looked at it I would know it wasn't in 'as last issued' condition. I have bought rifles in the past to bring back from bubbas misdeeds etc. But with those I went into it knowing the rifle would never be 'right'. If such a thing were to happen to a rifle I had ordered I would ask for an equally uncommon example or a lesser one with the difference made up in refunded money. Just my
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racerguy00 wrote:Maybe its just me but I wouldn't be happy having the rifle restocked at all. Even if it were in the 'correct' stock, everytime I looked at it I would know it wasn't in 'as last issued' condition. I have bought rifles in the past to bring back from bubbas misdeeds etc. But with those I went into it knowing the rifle would never be 'right'. If such a thing were to happen to a rifle I had ordered I would ask for an equally uncommon example or a lesser one with the difference made up in refunded money. Just my
I agree, he should get what he paid for. He didn't pay for a broken, then repaired or altered rifle. If he ordered a rifle with a cracked stock, that would be a different deal and a repair would be OK.
racerguy00 wrote:Maybe its just me but I wouldn't be happy having the rifle restocked at all. Even if it were in the 'correct' stock, everytime I looked at it I would know it wasn't in 'as last issued' condition. I have bought rifles in the past to bring back from bubbas misdeeds etc. But with those I went into it knowing the rifle would never be 'right'. If such a thing were to happen to a rifle I had ordered I would ask for an equally uncommon example or a lesser one with the difference made up in refunded money. Just my
Ahhh...but there is no proof that the stock that is broken is actually the original stock.
I bet a lot of firearms people buy have parts on them that aren't "original as-issued" condition and they probably don't even realize it. The ONLY way you could know for certain is if you were right there at the production line and bought it as it rolled down the conveyor belt. This is especially true of Finnish rifles. Consider this...the receiver is a hex receiver taken off a WW1 Russian Nagant and Finland just rebuilt it. So it's not "original as-issued" from the getgo.
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Mountain Man wrote:If it came UPS, like all my guns come, they will be responsible for the repair. Burns will have to contact them and make arrangements for the repair.
That is what is going on right now. But it won't be repair, it will be replacement.
It sounded to me like the OP says that Pat Burns replacement is conditional on UPS agreeing to pay. I don't think that would be ok with me. You bought a complete rifle, if that is not what is delivered, then the OP should get a replacement, refund, or what ever you think is right. The delivery was a contract between UPS and Pat Burns, the OP was not involved in that transaction. The OP paid Burns for the gun, Burns is responsible. The conditional thing would have gotten me on somebody's butt, like right now.
The gun looks fantastic other than that. Metal is in great shape and bore is bright and shiny. If this was a Russian Mosin I would say screw it and just buy a laminated stock from Gunbroker. But This is a Finnish M39 SKY with matching date and stock cartouches on it. And I paid for a stock in minty condition that matched the rifle. A replacement stock ain't gonna cut it. Chances of finding a dated Finnish M39 SKY stock with correct cartouched and dats is slim and none and slim left town. 
