The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

i am looking at a early 1890's m91 tula on line and did not see the y in a circle proof on the picture of it.what year did they change over from black powder to what we shoot now.rifle is mix matched and i good shape but looks alittle rough.

7.62x54r has been a smokeless round since day 1. The circle y and circle n are called black powder proofs, but since smokeless produces higher pressures, what is the purpose of using black powder? I have to think that it was simply the same stamp used for both powders.

MJ is right, Always smokeless. STAY AWAY FROM MY auctions!!

he ,he i did not say it was your auction and thanks for the info. i thought they might have used something different like the early maysers did.

The ruskies used the berdan II before the mosin. It has a slight look of a mosin, especially in the bolt area but it is large bore like the Mauser 71 and 71/84 mausers. The berdan dragoons go for big money and you see one everynow and then on GB.

Dou, I saw the pics on the other forum. Looks like a Balkan import with the scrubbing. Seems to be a lot of these showing up now.

People are taking advantage of the higher prices to turn a profit on rifles they bought ten years ago, that's were the Balkan rifles are coming from.