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I have a Mosin-Nagant. The length is 48.5" and has a flat rear sight leaf. That identifies as a M91/30 but from other Factory Strikes doesn't match up to dates.

Believe it is a Izhevsk Arsenal 1943 M91/30 7.62 x 54mmR

Provided is the image Factory Strike on top of barrel.




Thanks for any help,

TRI0N

Also another weird thing is I can't seem to find an image of this stock variant with a screw that doesn't exist in any images I have found...




Again thanks for any help,

TRI0N

It's a typical Soviet post WW2 refurbished 1943 M91/30. These will have a mix of parts from any year Mosin, parts were kept in service and used during refurbs for as long as they stayed in spec. This is normal for any refurb Soviet Mosin or Finn used captured Soviet weapon. The pin is there to strengthen a weak point in the laminated stocks, and likely put there because a crack was developing.

Junk Yard Dog wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 3:57 pm It's a typical Soviet post WW2 refurbished 1943 M91/30. These will have a mix of parts from any year Mosin, parts were kept in service and used during refurbs for as long as they stayed in spec. This is normal for any refurb Soviet Mosin or Finn used captured Soviet weapon. The pin is there to strengthen a weak point in the laminated stocks, and likely put there because a crack was developing.

Actually no, this is not a refurbished/mixed part variant. The Factory Strike Numbers on the bolt, the barrel and the magazine are the same number. This is the real deal. Also the Pin as you call it, there is an identical one on the opposite side. There is no cracks in the stock at all. Even the Butt metal end matches all Factory Strikes TK972. There is a 2 engrave into the Stock near the butt.


Thanks,

TRI0N

It's a refurbished 91/30 in a late/post war laminated stock. They were renumbered to match the barrel shank. You might find Izhevsk or Tula parts marked with the same number .

TRI0N wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 11:58 am Also another weird thing is I can't seem to find an image of this stock variant with a screw that doesn't exist in any images I have found...




Again thanks for any help,

TRI0N

I have an 1945 Izhevsk M44 that's been refurbished and it has that style of stock on it. Don't see a lot of them, but they are out there.

TRI0N wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 4:35 pm

Junk Yard Dog wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2024 3:57 pm It's a typical Soviet post WW2 refurbished 1943 M91/30. These will have a mix of parts from any year Mosin, parts were kept in service and used during refurbs for as long as they stayed in spec. This is normal for any refurb Soviet Mosin or Finn used captured Soviet weapon. The pin is there to strengthen a weak point in the laminated stocks, and likely put there because a crack was developing.

Actually no, this is not a refurbished/mixed part variant. The Factory Strike Numbers on the bolt, the barrel and the magazine are the same number. This is the real deal. Also the Pin as you call it, there is an identical one on the opposite side. There is no cracks in the stock at all. Even the Butt metal end matches all Factory Strikes TK972. There is a 2 engrave into the Stock near the butt.


Thanks,

TRI0N

The pin is supposed to go through the stock. It reinforces it there to prevent breakage/separation of lamination there.

It's not a pin like you see on some stocks that's only seen on one side of the stock to repair a crack etc.

As for serial numbers matching, the majority of the time it's because of force matching (Re-numbering of parts so that they match). You'd have to show pictures of all the serial numbered parts for us say yes it's original numbers matching versus forced matched.

So far it looks like a typical 1943 made Izhevsk M91/30 Mosin Nagant. Above the K in the SN there appears to be a BOX, which if it is, that could be the Arsenal Refurbishment mark. As boxes were used to symbolize this.

Son, if these old boys tell you that it is a refurbished 91/30, with a post-war laminate stock with a repair, you can take it to the bank. I ain't one, but there are some experts on Russian rifles on this forum. You are at the point that some of these guys were 30 or 40 years ago. I am still an apprentice; I have only been handling these old warhorses for about 20 years and only have about 50 of them. ;)

Newcomers with new questions are always welcome.

Images of Identical TK972 markings.


Bolt, Magazine Assembly
Barrel, Butt

Thanks,

TRI0N

PS - Calling someone that's 54 years old a "Son" is NOT cool...

This is a refurb. These are force matched serial numbers. In the first photo you can see where the original was ground off. There are remnants of the original number still visible. The circled mark in the third photo is a refurbisment mark. Scroll down at this link. It will show various refurb marks and the corresponding arsenal if known. https://www.m9130.info/repair-depot-markings

The K and 7 have an obviously different font on the mag floor plate, bolt and buttplate than the original ones on the barrel. They are force matched parts.