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Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:22 am
by Kuperkeikkari
Hello!

I have this 1907 Ishevsk made Dragoon with some really odd rear sight markings. The barrel has a reddish tint to it.
Does someone have any idea what are these? The rear sight still has Ishevsk markings and doesn't seem altered, and the finish of the markings look professional.
I have never seen these markings before.

Thanks in advance!

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:51 am
by millman
If you mean the numbers on the bottom of the sight leaf, then they are for mass volley fire. They would have everyone flip the sight up and set to say 2000. Then the whole group of troops would fire and the mass of bullets would land on the heads of the enemy. IIRC these markings are in Arshins (old Russian distance) not meters or yards.

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:13 am
by Kuperkeikkari
millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:51 am If you mean the numbers on the bottom of the sight leaf, then they are for mass volley fire. They would have everyone flip the sight up and set to say 2000. Then the whole group of troops would fire and the mass of bullets would land on the heads of the enemy. IIRC these markings are in Arshins (old Russian distance) not meters or yards.
Thank you for the answer! How rare are these? And to whom were these rifles given to since its for volley fire?
I've never seen these...

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:25 am
by millman
All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:30 am
by Kuperkeikkari
millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:25 am All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.
Oh, I think we are talking about different things. I know the flip-up system and Konovalov rear sight leaf, but I mean the distance markings (300 to 850) on the side of the rear sight base. I haven't seen these numbers, it seems like it's for a different caliber for a different measure system, but the caliber of the rifle is still 7,62. And I've never seen this scale on a rear sight of a mosin.

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:42 am
by millman
Kuperkeikkari wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:30 am
millman wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 7:25 am All of the rifles I have seen with this type of rear sight have them. Mass volley fire was used before machine guns came into wide use is what I have read. They were used by whoever would have been issued a rifle. They weren't used exclusively for volley fire, It was just an option. Flipped down it was just a normal sight and the numbers on the side by the steps would have been used.
Oh, I think we are talking about different things. I know the flip-up system and Konovalov rear sight leaf, but I mean the distance markings (300 to 850) on the side of the rear sight base. I haven't seen these numbers, it seems like it's for a different caliber for a different measure system, but the caliber of the rifle is still 7,62. And I've never seen this scale on a rear sight of a mosin.
I see what you are saying. I don't know.

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:03 am
by Greedo1977
I would bet the 300-850 markings are just a one off variation of the Finnish metric graduations. Any other Finnish marks/traits?
Looks like a nice early Dragoon! :thumbsup:

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 2:46 am
by Kuperkeikkari
Greedo1977 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2024 11:03 am I would bet the 300-850 markings are just a one off variation of the Finnish metric graduations. Any other Finnish marks/traits?
Looks like a nice early Dragoon! :thumbsup:
Sorry for late reply, but there's no other markings which indicate Finnish traces. The receiver is numbered, but in a different way than normally...
I don't know! :D

Re: Weird rear sight markings / 1907 Ishevsk Dragoon

Posted: Thu May 16, 2024 9:14 am
by armed_wing
I have seen the side marks to, but none know why...