What is this? Izhevsk 1943 strange rifle

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:54 pm

Hi guys,
I was looking at this rifle and it’s very controversial. Sanded stock is obvious, missing rear sling escutcheon, replaced rear glass on the scope, because it’s chromatic, replaced bolt & buttplate.
But. The rest seems surprisingly fine. No import marks. At all. Nowhere. But front of the barrel has different finish than the rest - scrubbed to remove import marks?
What is this?

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ffuries · Post by **ffuries** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:22 pm

Links posted for the pictures aren't working for me.....

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:48 pm

Unfortunately photo hosting servers are down. Should come back soon. I’ll try to attach photos here.

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:49 pm

More pics

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:51 pm

Last batch

House Beagle · Post by **House Beagle** » Sat May 01, 2021 6:39 pm

That stock has some strong Eastern European vibes, really resembles the stocks on “unissued” Polish M44s.

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sat May 01, 2021 7:05 pm

House Beagle wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:39 pm That stock has some strong Eastern European vibes, really resembles the stocks on “unissued” Polish M44s.

Agreed, it also has 59B stamp and an E on the inner surface.
Something that’s not present on normal Russian stocks.

Post by **Darryl** » Sat May 01, 2021 9:37 pm

If you show me the import marks on that rifle, I'll tell you what I know about that rifle.

Miller, is that a brazed on end on that cleaning rod? LOL
I might just leave this one to Miller!

Darryl

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sat May 01, 2021 10:26 pm

Darryl wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:37 pm If you show me the import marks on that rifle, I'll tell you what I know about that rifle.

Miller, is that a brazed on end on that cleaning rod? LOL
I might just leave this one to Miller!

Darryl

No import mark Darryl. Nothing. Completely.
Cleaning rod doesn’t seem to be yugo.

Miller Tyme · Post by **Miller Tyme** » Sun May 02, 2021 4:36 am

Darryl wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:37 pm If you show me the import marks on that rifle, I'll tell you what I know about that rifle.

Miller, is that a brazed on end on that cleaning rod? LOL
I might just leave this one to Miller!

Darryl

I saw it yesterday Dolk and really want to give it a good once over when I get home this evening, but the stock doesn't look sanded from the one pic I saw of the finger groves. The type of wood and color, pluss the rear sight in the white leads me to lean towards a Polish refurb.

Post by **Darryl** » Sun May 02, 2021 10:49 am

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 4:36 am
Darryl wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 9:37 pm If you show me the import marks on that rifle, I'll tell you what I know about that rifle.

Miller, is that a brazed on end on that cleaning rod? LOL
I might just leave this one to Miller!

Darryl
I saw it yesterday Dolk and really want to give it a good once over when I get home this evening, but the stock doesn't look sanded from the one pic I saw of the finger groves. The type of wood and color, plus the rear sight in the white leads me to lean towards a Polish refurb.

Yes, I was just kidding (Miller) about the cleaning rod and trying to throw him off! LOL.Sorry, I messed up the original poster too.

I have a M44 with the same exact characteristics as this rifle. It is a Izhevsk 1944.
And it is a Polish refurbished rifle also.
But, this is the first "sniper" Polish refurb I have seen (that I can remember! )
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On mine, there is a purple stamp on the lower stock in the channel that the barrel sits in. It is on many of the Polish refurbished rifles. But , not on all of them. It is in "Polish" and is the Month and date (as I remember now?).

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Darryl

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Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:08 am

There is some purpleish something at the border with speculation

the same E in a diamond is present on the stock butt. so is it somewhat rare thing?
Any idea why no import marks?
Also not sure if that’s relevant, but on your rear sight notches between numbers aren’t present + it’s marked up to 1000m. vs 2000m

Post by **Darryl** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:24 am

Rtop01 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 11:08 am There is some purpleish something at the border with speculation the same E in a diamond is present on the stock butt. so is it somewhat rare thing?
Any idea why no import marks?
Also not sure if that’s relevant, but on your rear sight notches between numbers aren’t present + it’s mark up to 1000m. vs 2000m

"Rare" is a word that is used way too much. It is "hard to find" but not impossible to find Polish refurbs. In "sniper" config, like I said, this is the first one I've seen. So, damn hard to find!

That purple stamp is the give away.

The diamond E is different from mine.
I have a O in a diamond and also a C in a diamond on the stock.

Very interesting rifle.

Darryl

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sun May 02, 2021 11:37 am

Darryl wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 11:24 am
Rtop01 wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 11:08 am There is some purpleish something at the border with speculation the same E in a diamond is present on the stock butt. so is it somewhat rare thing?
Any idea why no import marks?
Also not sure if that’s relevant, but on your rear sight notches between numbers aren’t present + it’s mark up to 1000m. vs 2000m
"Rare" is a word that is used way too much. It is "hard to find" but not impossible to find Polish refurbs. In "sniper" config, like I said, this is the first one I've seen. So, damn hard to find!

That purple stamp is the give away.

The diamond E is different from mine.
I have a O in a diamond and also a C in a diamond on the stock.

Very interesting rifle.

Darryl

Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge, Darryl!

Miller Tyme · Post by **Miller Tyme** » Sun May 02, 2021 6:06 pm

More pics of the rifle are needed, the whole rifle, most of the pics are of the scope, but I stand by my belief that it "might" well be a Polish refurbed PU.

I have one and this one bears some similarities to it, but with out better pics it is just MHO.

Here is a Polish refurbed PU sniper from my collection, it is in a refurbed Russian stock, the OP's appears to be a Polish Beechwood stock.

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Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sun May 02, 2021 7:39 pm

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 6:06 pm More pics of the rifle are needed, the whole rifle, most of the pics are of the scope, but I stand by my belief that it "might" well be a Polish refurbed PU.

I have one and this one bears some similarities to it, but with out better pics it is just MHO.

Here is a Polish refurbed PU sniper from my collection, it is in a refurbed Russian stock, the OP's appears to be a Polish Beechwood stock.
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Hey Miller,

Thanks for chiming in! Got more pictures - please see below.

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Sun May 02, 2021 7:41 pm

Also there are more pics above with more details of everything.

Miller Tyme · Post by **Miller Tyme** » Mon May 03, 2021 3:44 am

While both Poland and Hungary used beech stocks but the Hungarians used full sling slot liners. The deep bluing, including the front sling slot 1/2 liner, the pristine beech stock (no 02 mark, and it hasn't been sanded), the rear sight in the white (never seen it on a Hungarian PU) make me believe this is a Polish refurbed PU.

Rtop01 · Post by **Rtop01** » Mon May 03, 2021 6:51 am

Miller Tyme wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 3:44 am While both Poland and Hungary used beech stocks but the Hungarians used full sling slot liners. The deep bluing, including the front sling slot 1/2 liner, the pristine beech stock (no 02 mark, and it hasn't been sanded), the rear sight in the white (never seen it on a Hungarian PU) make me believe this is a Polish refurbed PU.

Thanks Miller! Adding 2nd PU to collection

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