OK then No.

[steelbuttplate]

Suppose you had a '44 Winchester war baby, broken stock not fixable. A nice reproduction stock could be had, but would that make it a bumper, a bubba, a big fat lie ? As long as your honest about what it is ?

[Darryl]

Problem is usually not you if selling, it's the next guy.

You are trying to get an OK from us here by "promising" you will not lie about it. You can't make that promise for the next person to won it.

I know the next "statement" because I have heard it for years and years. "I NEVER INTEND TO SELL THIS RIFLE AND WILL KEEP IT FOREVER". Problem is, that hardly ever works. We see the rifle for sale a few months to years later .... for sale.

Also, most of us don't "live forever" and our relative end up with the rifle. They may or may not even know it is faked.

Don't know what a "bumper" is. May you mean "humper"? That is some one who makes it correct to fake it authenticity.

A "bubba" is usually someone who altered (on purpose) a rifle to make it something it is not. Like drilling and adding a scope to a milsurplus rifle. Usually modernizing the rifle.

That leaves us with "Big fat lie". Lie is usually something done when you know it is wrong. And you do it anyway. There could be a lot of good reasons for doing this also. Like the rifle is unshootable, or correct parts are not available. Un "reasonable excuses are like I like the color better, or it doesn't have a crack in it, It makes the rifle look nicer therefore more valuable, .... there are many of them.

Bottom line here is "IT"S YOUR RIFLE". Do as you like, but if you fake it and get caught, your reputation will be destroyed.

Example: Would you rather buy a rifle from JYD or some know guy who "swaps stocks and parts" (Humper) to make the rifle look more correct? See, half the value of a rifle is it's history and who owned it before. If you find one thing incorrect on the rifle, the rifle is ruined (in my book). There are times when replacing a item is acceptable. I hope you don't ask what all of those are. Depends on the rifle, Model, etc.

Well, good luck with it. I struggle with this a lot. The older the rifle gets and harder to find parts for it become. Also, what is acceptable by the collecting community. There is no single answer for the question you pose.

Darryl

[steelbuttplate]

Humper. It's not my rifle. I didn't buy it. If you read paragraph 3 in the rules it's sorta ok to do. But, it would never be an original complete war baby. I guess it would compare to a Mitchell Mauser ?

[Junk Yard Dog]

What rifle of mine did you plan to make an offer on? Do you have that kind of money? Lotto ticket came in? You look long enough and you will find a GI stock for that carbine. Millions of carbines and even more parts were produced, they are out there. Don't bother trying to match it to Winchester, Uncle didn't give a shit what the stock started out on during refurb time, whatever came to hand was used so long as it fit correctly. Being a US made weapon the parts interchangeability was perfect.

OK, I looked on ebay and I stopped counting at ten GI stocks, Inland, IBM, and others, all styles of M1, and M2 carbine stocks. There is no need to put some aftermarket made stock on that weapon. Winchester being the primary M1 carbine contractor they did make all the parts so it's possible to find all matching Winchester carbines. This is very rare given the governments propensity to refurbish weapons every few years and mix parts. Buy an Inland stock and put it on there. Don't expect to get it for $50, it's going to run $150-$300 for something nice. Real M1 carbine parts are expensive because they are the real thing and carbine run a grand or more these days.

Yes, it can be an original war baby, war babys are mostly all mixmasters, just keep the parts GI. Three of mine are like that, the other two might have accidentally been brought home after the war so they avoided refurb. Most carbine manufacturers didn't produce all their own parts, outside contractors did it, or they bought them from the other 9 sub contractors. So in other words they were mixmasters from the start.

Most important question, how did you fuck up the stock that came with the rifle? Why isn't it fixable? Did you burn it? It's wood, glue, dowel pins, should hold it together.

[steelbuttplate]

What rifle of mine did you plan to make an offer on? Do you have that kind of money? Lotto ticket came in? You look long enough and you will find a GI stock for that carbine. Millions of carbines and even more parts were produced, they are out there. Don't bother trying to match it to Winchester, Uncle didn't give a shit what the stock started out on during refurb time, whatever came to hand was used so long as it fit correctly. Being a US made weapon the parts interchangeability was perfect.

OK, I looked on ebay and I stopped counting at ten GI stocks, Inland, IBM, and others, all styles of M1, and M2 carbine stocks. There is no need to put some aftermarket made stock on that weapon. Winchester being the primary M1 carbine contractor they did make all the parts so it's possible to find all matching Winchester carbines. This is very rare given the governments propensity to refurbish weapons every few years and mix parts. Buy an Inland stock and put it on there. Don't expect to get it for $50, it's going to run $150-$300 for something nice. Real M1 carbine parts are expensive because they are the real thing and carbine run a grand or more these days.

Yes, it can be an original war baby, war babys are mostly all mixmasters, just keep the parts GI. Three of mine are like that, the other two might have accidentally been brought home after the war so they avoided refurb. Most carbine manufacturers didn't produce all their own parts, outside contractors did it, or they bought them from the other 9 sub contractors. So in other words they were mixmasters from the start.

Most important question, how did you fuck up the stock that came with the rifle? Why isn't it fixable? Did you burn it? It's wood, glue, dowel pins, should hold it together.

Well I was and just out run-in round with my ol M-2
When along come Uncle Remus with a jug, he was stinkin oh Lord shew,
I took me a drink then I took me another and I chased it with a third,
Then I fell backards on my M-2 rifle mashed it flatter than a turd.
No, not my rifle. Never was. Definitely a WWII rifle with a very well made paratrooper aftermarket reproduction stock. It's already done, not by me.

[Darryl]

Humper. It's not my rifle. I didn't buy it. If you read paragraph 3 in the rules it's sorta ok to do. But, it would never be an original complete war baby. I guess it would compare to a Mitchell Mauser ?

Do you think for a second that we could write a set of rules for every stupid little thing that people can do? Over the years we have had to alter those rules because there is always some asshole that will try to "skirt" or challenge the rules. The rules are in our heads. Don't you know? By "our heads" I mean every ones of us. When You try to screw with those rules and "skirt them", you will know it. Usually it will be to try to get a leg up on someone. So quote me the rules all you want to. I know them. I wrote them! Any legitimate collector here understands them and they are really only guide lines to keep those assholes out. The rest, the Admins (and members here) will take care of .

Darryl

[Junk Yard Dog]

Inland division of General Motors Corp produced the real M1A1 carbine during the war. It's possible that Uncle might swap a stock onto one of the other remanufacturers, and likely did, but only Inland is correct with one for the WW2 era. I know because I have one. Swapping a para stock onto a carbine does not compare with what Mitchells Mausers does. The stock can be removed and the original replaced in minutes, there is no alteration to the carbine itself. Mitchells is known for totally reworking one countries Mauser rifles to look like WW2 German, often SS marked K98k's. This is not only a permanent and extensive alteration of a Czech, Yugo, or whatever Mauser, but the outright faking of a German wartime K98k, plus the double down by adding fake SS markings. If the price of the Winchester carbine with the fake stock was under a grand then you should have grabbed it. First there is the Winchester name, that attracts collectors of all things Winchester and these command a premium price because of it. Second, real stocks are available, authentic WW2 era GI stocks that attach with no need to correct any Bubba alterations. You might have missed a real opportunity here. Last Winchester I saw change hand did it for $1500. and that was almost nine years ago. It wasn't some display queen either, it had the look of a real war weapon that had been to see the elephant.

[steelbuttplate]

Humper. It's not my rifle. I didn't buy it. If you read paragraph 3 in the rules it's sorta ok to do. But, it would never be an original complete war baby. I guess it would compare to a Mitchell Mauser ?

Do you think for a second that we could write a set of rules for every stupid little thing that people can do? Over the years we have had to alter those rules because there is always some asshole that will try to "skirt" or challenge the rules. The rules are in our heads. Don't you know? By "our heads" I mean every ones of us. When You try to screw with those rules and "skirt them", you will know it. Usually it will be to try to get a leg up on someone. So quote me the rules all you want to. I know them. I wrote them! Any legitimate collector here understands them and they are really only guide lines to keep those assholes out. The rest, the Admins (and members here) will take care of .

Darryl

Sorry, I wasn't meaning to whup out the rules on the writer of rules, more a question of did I understand them

[steelbuttplate]

Inland division of General Motors Corp produced the real M1A1 carbine during the war. It's possible that Uncle might swap a stock onto one of the other remanufacturers, and likely did, but only Inland is correct with one for the WW2 era. I know because I have one. Swapping a para stock onto a carbine does not compare with what Mitchells Mausers does. The stock can be removed and the original replaced in minutes, there is no alteration to the carbine itself. Mitchells is known for totally reworking one countries Mauser rifles to look like WW2 German, often SS marked K98k's. This is not only a permanent and extensive alteration of a Czech, Yugo, or whatever Mauser, but the outright faking of a German wartime K98k, plus the double down by adding fake SS markings. If the price of the Winchester carbine with the fake stock was under a grand then you should have grabbed it. First there is the Winchester name, that attracts collectors of all things Winchester and these command a premium price because of it. Second, real stocks are available, authentic WW2 era GI stocks that attach with no need to correct any Bubba alterations. You might have missed a real opportunity here. Last Winchester I saw change hand did it for $1500. and that was almost nine years ago. It wasn't some display queen either, it had the look of a real war weapon that had been to see the elephant.

Now then. I'll find that sucker.

[Longcolt44]

Sarco had a bunch of M1 carbine stocks for under $50.00 a while back. You might see if they would get you a Winchester for it. I just sold an all original 1943 Winchester M1 carbine for $1900. We have a all original Inland paratrooper for $3000.00 if you are interested.

[JC 762]

Centerfire Systems email yesterday ,M1 carbine stocks original GI $ 9.99.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Sarco had a bunch of M1 carbine stocks for under $50.00 a while back. You might see if they would get you a Winchester for it. I just sold an all original 1943 Winchester M1 carbine for $1900. We have a all original Inland paratrooper for $3000.00 if you are interested.

Nope, got me one already.