The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

Found this while perusing the internet while in the hospital awaiting my new ICD. Thought it was cool and saved the pictures. The recent supposed Afghanistan bring back thread reminded me of these. This rifle has had a hard and long service life.

Thought yall might enjoy the pictures of this well worn war horse.

Original dragoon rifle, that one must have been in Afghanistan for a very long time to have avoided the later Soviet upgrade to 91/30. I wonder if Davis captured the rifle and then brought it home. Note the unusually sloppy serial number stamping

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Original dragoon rifle, that one must have been in Afghanistan for a very long time to have avoided the later Soviet upgrade to 91/30. I wonder if Davis captured the rifle and then brought it home. Note the unusually sloppy serial number stamping

Yeah I noticed the drunken slant to the SN. Probably met Capt Crunch, as only weapons made prior to 1898 were allowed to be brought back. Don't know if or how the policy has changed since I retired. I do know that Uncle had some very specific and strict language on bringing back war trophies and such. I know when I came back from my final deployment I went through customs 3 times (Uzbekistan, Turkey, and the USA).

I know of instances where a weapon was found stashed on an aircraft, vehicle, mobility box etc and (CID, NCIS or AFOSI) sat on it waiting for the guilty party to show up and retrieve it. Hell we had a pallet with an Iraqi anti-aircraft gun on it sit off to the side of our aircraft parking ramp for over a year, before it went to a museum. They never figured out who shipped it home, all I know is I walked up to it to examine it and was visited later by AFOSI to find out what I knew about it and it was recommended that I steer far away from it.

There are some GI's that did time and or received discharges for illegal weapons importation.

So ffuries, that is a defibrillator implant right? Are you doing ok?

That rifle reminds me of a quote from Charleston Heston. "From my cold dead hands"

Notice how the finger grooves are almost worn away on one end. Is that a dragoon stock ?

bunkysdad wrote:So ffuries, that is a defibrillator implant right? Are you doing ok?

Yeap, a pacemaker with shocking capability. So when I go into VFib it gives me a nice shock hard enough to put you on your knees, and puts the heart back into a normal sinus rythm. Whereas AFib requires the use of drugs to put the heart back into rythm. I've suffer from both lucky friggin me!

Doing ok for the most part Cardio wise, go into a AFib every so often. As for recovery from the surgery, 2 months after and I am still sore in that area, unlike when the two previous ones were implanted. Could be I'm just getting older and the healing takes longer, or I'm becoming a wimp as I age. Hope to get back to shooting soon, weather will be cooling off soon and it will be the perfect time to sling some lead downrange!

steelbuttplate wrote:Notice how the finger grooves are almost worn away on one end. Is that a dragoon stock ?

Also notice the nice crack under the receiver area of the stock.

War trophy's, The Great War AEF could bring home anything, ANYTHING! That included their personal weapon. WW2 most things, or anything if you were an officer or knew the right people, Korea pretty much the same. Vietnam, there is lots of shit I remember seeing in the 70's dragged out for show and tell by guys who served over there. I seem to have very suddenly developed a strange brain disease that has erased names and details of all that shit. Only now are US citizens being asked to serve a government that doesn't trust them to possess the same weapons back home that they used to defend the nation during their service. Or bring home the enemy's captured weapons as every generation of soldiers before them has done.

General Order 1A which superceded General Order 1 in 2000 talks about the taking of "War Souvenirs".

The pertinent paragraphs here states:

(3) No weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or
acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal
use or shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR for personal retention or control.

(4) This prohibition does not preclude the lawful acquisition of souvenirs
that can be legally imported into the United States.

Star & Stripes newspaper article dated 2014 copied incase the link becomes dead, mentions only antique weapons made prior to 1898.

https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-eas ... n-1.290667

How to get your souvenir rifle out of Afghanistan

By STARS AND STRIPES
Published: June 26, 2014

Whether their purchase is real or a replica, American servicemembers can ship jezails or other souvenir weapons out of Afghanistan with the proper paperwork.

Before shipping an antique or replica firearm to the United States, U.S. servicemembers must first bring the weapon to the customs office for an inspection. An antique firearm is defined as any firearm not designed or redesigned for using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition with fixed ammunition, manufactured in or before 1898 or for which ammunition is no longer manufactured in the United States, and not readily available. The customs inspector will ensure that the antique gun has a proper date stamp and that it is generally clean.

Once the weapon is cleared for shipping by a customs inspector, the servicemember must bring a completed customs form and weapon affidavit to the office of the Staff Judge Advocate for notarization.

After paperwork is filed with the customs office, the servicemember is cleared to ship the replica or antique weapon by registered mail through the post office.

Servicemembers cannot ship machine guns, defined as repeating-type of firearms; sawed-off style shotguns or shotguns with a barrel length shorter than 16 inches; rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 26 inches in overall length; or martial arts weapons.

Any knife with a blade more than 6 inches has to be cleared through customs. If the knife is stored in a decorative box, it can be sent back as is. If the knife is not being shipped back in a decorative box, it must be in a sheath prior to mailing to the U.S.

Pretty dang cool.

Ffuries:

WOW! If only that Dragoon could talk! Thanks for sharing!