The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

Would a 1909 model Argentine have been a 7.65 originally ? It's now stamped 30-06 . Anybody have one of these that they shoot?

It would have been 7.65 Argentine. These are considered by many to be the best made Mauser's ever. Maybe so, maybe no, many others look well finished to me. .30-06 is well within what the receiver can handle, bad that it was altered, but at least it will be cheaper to shoot if nothing else. I have shot my 1909 with 7.65, accurate as would be expected, and not noticeably different than the same GEW98 in 7.92mm.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:It would have been 7.65 Argentine. These are considered by many to be the best made Mauser's ever. Maybe so, maybe no, many others look well finished to me. .30-06 is well within what the receiver can handle, bad that it was altered, but at least it will be cheaper to shoot if nothing else. I have shot my 1909 with 7.65, accurate as would be expected, and not noticeably different than the same GEW98 in 7.92mm.

Thats what I thought, cheaper/more available to shoot, but the 7.65 barrel shooting a 7.62 round is that a drawback or accuracy issue ?

You would have to slug the bore to see what's been done to it. None of my milsurps is converted to another round other than it's original one so I am not familiar with this sort of work. I would think a rebarrel maybe, bore out and sleeve possibly, or they did nothing but chamber work. That sometimes worked with the GEW88's going from .318 to .323 Have it checked by a competent gunsmith. A lot of times work on these Argentine surplus rifles from the 1879 rolling block up to the Mausers was done by the Argentine government arsenals to improve the condition of the rifles so they could charge more when they sold them as surplus. I don't recall them doing .30-06 conversions but it is possible.

I've always shied away from 30-06 conversions. Unless re-barreled, it would make no sense to do this to a 1909 exactly for the reasons you indicated. Then there is the consideration of the magazine being long enough for the round and some chamber work having to be done to accept the cartridge. Have you tried to chamber 7.65 or 30.06 in the gun? Something in the back of my mind says that some of these conversions were actually done but I can't remember where or by whom.

qz2026 wrote:I've always shied away from 30-06 conversions. Unless re-barreled, it would make no sense to do this to a 1909 exactly for the reasons you indicated. Then there is the consideration of the magazine being long enough for the round and some chamber work having to be done to accept the cartridge. Have you tried to chamber 7.65 or 30.06 in the gun? Something in the back of my mind says that some of these conversions were actually done but I can't remember where or by whom.

I was just watching one, and it already got up around $300 so I'm not interested. A nice looking rifle.

I have a 1891 Carbine that Bubba got his hands on. Great little Dear Rifle tho. Nothing I can do to bring it back to original original so I just use it as is. I think it is the most accurate little Military Surplus rifle I own. I truly love this thing.

Buckhead wrote:I have a 1891 Carbine that Bubba got his hands on. Great little Dear Rifle tho. Nothing I can do to bring it back to original original so I just use it as is. I think it is the most accurate little Military Surplus rifle I own. I truly love this thing.

I got one by the same bubba. He had shortened a gorgeous matching stock. I thought I could snag another stock, but nooooo. It was one of my poorert purchases. But you are right, the 91s apparently got little use and are fine rifles by any standard.

I have a very hard to find rare stock for the 1891.

Longcolt44 wrote:I have a very hard to find rare stock for the 1891.

Is it for the carbine or the full sized rifle ?

It is the carbine, about 37 " long. Has the butt plate and band spring. It does have a very hard to detect plug repair near the nose. PM me if you wish to get more info or pictures.