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Some old pics of an oddball rifle!

Why these were done when regular 91-30s should have been plentiful is a mystery that I would like more info on.

Pahtu.

Given the length of time we are talking about, and most of it interesting times at that, variety is to be expected. Nice rifles.

Right on! I love the Romanian conversions. Have to find a M44 made from a M91 also.

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I guess as the old saying goes "Waste not Want not". Good looking rifle.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:Given the length of time we are talking about, and most of it interesting times at that, variety is to be expected. Nice rifles.

Thanks JYD! Bought the piece at a Tacoma Dome gun show, before the city or something shut the show down.

Pahtu.

Homer2 wrote:Right on! I love the Romanian conversions. Have to find a M44 made from a M91 also.

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Yeah, have only seen maybe one or two of those conversions on the forums - One was a Remington IIRC.

Pahtu.

Fledge wrote:I guess as the old saying goes "Waste not Want not". Good looking rifle.

Thanks, I guess it was something along that line, perhaps they had beat up rifles on hand and no supply of 91-30s, so use what they had and make up some 91-30s, guesses are all what we most likely will have given these were most likely made up 60 plus years ago.

Pahtu.

It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?

I've really taken a liking to these. They even took the time to weld up the sight's cross pin holes on yours. I like that one alot.

I've been trying to keep track of these. I had a 21 Tula conversion also, and I know of another 3rd 1921 dated example, a 1920, a 1922 and a 1924!! all made from Tula m91s. There are 5 or 6 each Westinghouse and Remingtons that I know of and one rumored Sestroryetsk. Oddly no confirmed Izhevsk have shown up, but maybe those get confused with exdragoons.

steelbuttplate wrote:It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?

Not a machinest kind of guy....mebbe they turned down the barrel and then drilled out another stub of a barrel and then slipped it over and welded the bad boy on....dunno for sure?

The rifle barrel is 91-30 length.

I chatted with racerguy about this rifle at least four years ago. If I got the story right, racerguy was in contact with the owner of the rifle who eventually sold the piece to the guy from Bellvue who I bought it from....small world!

These rifles are pretty uncommon, not a whole lot known about em, not a whole lot of em posted over the years...

Value? I paid not much over 200 bucks IIRC....so they have value....just how much?? Dunno....they are rarely found for sale...

Background story

My mom was sick and being cared for at UW/Medicine - Hospital in Seattle - A gun show ad was on the T.V. in her room, it was at the Tacoma dome. Ma, told me to go to it & she was fine.....she really was sick, but stable....so I went! Huge show compared to the little shows often found in Eastern WA state. I saw a few Finn rifles, all duplicates to what I already have, saw some real cool modern made firearms/sporting guns - Then I spotted this rifle above. I had a few $$ in my pocket, but was saving them as expenses were through the roof staying in Seattle/ keeping mom company for a couple weeks....so the seller graciously allowed me to put some $$ down and then mail more funds a couple weeks later when I got paid.

Later, Mom and I on a follow up checkup at UW Medicine, picked up the rifle from the seller who lived/worked in Bellvue, then we both drove to Muckleshoot Casino for dinner and some play....there I won enough $$ to pay for a very unique M44 carbine that I had won on an online auction that very night.......memories...

Pahtu.

Pahtu wrote:

steelbuttplate wrote:It may be older than '21 check the tang date. WW1 refurbs were refurbed in the 20's into 91/30's before they got refurbed. A barrel extension? Would that be threaded on then tacked? I don't think I've seen that one before. Is that M-91 length?

Not a machinest kind of guy....mebbe they turned down the barrel and then drilled out another stub of a barrel and then slipped it over and welded the bad boy on....dunno for sure?


Pahtu.

I am a machinist, and what you say is what they did. Although it is likely they used the sight end from the barrel they were shortening.

millman wrote:I am a machinist, and what you say is what they did. Although it is likely they used the sight end from the barrel they were shortening.

That makes sense, I wondered about that. I am a teacher, teach kids welding, metal shop skills & plant science. Been doing so for 25 years, tho this is my last year - Will be renting out two houses & then substitute teaching when I feel like it - Will have less $$ for buying rifles for the collection....but then....I have much of what I want. I am looking forward to more free time to do what I want....

Pahtu.

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

Thanks, will keep an eye out for one when I go to the shows....

Pahtu.

qz2026 wrote:

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

Another member here hooked me up with my 1923 dated one. The markings were heavily buffed in refurb but are still readable. One of my favorites.

qz2026 wrote:

I've been looking for an RSFSR 91/30 for a longggggg time...

School me on RSFSR - I have four or five 1920's dated Tula rifles with stamps like the Tula stamp of this rifle above. I did a little search on RSFSR & thought it was a stamp like the PCCP stamp on my rifles....appears it is not?

Thanks, Pahtu.

The RFSFR is the translation of the one line on your rifle Pahtu. They switched to cccp in mid 1922 iirc

racerguy00 wrote:The RFSFR is the translation of the one line on your rifle Pahtu. They switched to cccp in mid 1922 iirc

Thanks, I did not know!

Then if that is the case, this is the only Tula I own marked as such. I do have a Finned 20's dated Tula M91, but I cannot remember the year it was made - The others are Tula Dragoons from 1923 to 1928 that are very similar to this one, but must be lacking the above mentioned stamp.

Pahtu.

That's so crazy you just posted this. I just bought one just like this thinking it was an Ex Dragoon. My rear sight isn't welded like yours. Check it out o just posted about it. Such an odd rifle I love it. You got a nice one with many stories to tell

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