The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

I tell ya every time the courier drops off a package for me I feel like a kid at Christmas time.

This time it was 5 boxes of Hornady Custom ammo in 8mm 195gr interlock sp..

So now I'm thinking dangnabbit this would make an excellent hunting round from grizzly to gopher and everything in between..So why isn't this chambered in modern rifles?

Anyway for comparison... .30-06 8mm .303 british

Now then,back to your regular scheduled program..

I think mostly because everything is either AK's, or AR's. Everything seems to be going smaller and faster????

Or standard Nato and some 308. They do make modern rifles using 8mm, but here in the good old USA, 30-06 was the standard for so long it has just "stuck".

I really don't know, some of the hunting guys here can answer better then I can!
When I go hunting, I grab the same rifle every time.......(and I have a choice too). My Winchester lever 30-30.

8mm is bad to the bone, but the last scoped hunting rifle I own is a Mauser clone in '06, and that because the ammo is still cheap, plentiful and you can buy it anywhere ammo is sold. That said, I do keep a stash of 8mm on hand for my assorted Mausers.

dolk wrote:I think mostly because everything is either AK's, or AR's. Everything seems to be going smaller and faster????

Or standard Nato and some 308. They do make modern rifles using 8mm, but here in the good old USA, 30-06 was the standard for so long it has just "stuck".

I really don't know, some of the hunting guys here can answer better then I can!
When I go hunting, I grab the same rifle every time.......(and I have a choice too). My Winchester lever 30-30.

Well, D, that is because the 30-30 brings out the cowboy in all of us, admit it, you know its true! My son lusted after my Winchester until I gave it to him.

Yes since 1976 a Winchester model 70 in .30-06 has been my go to hunting rifle.
Up here in my neck of the woods most guys use a 7mm rem mag,.308,.30-06,.300win mag with a few .338's thrown in.

Maybe that's why calibers such as .7.62x54r 7.5x55swiss and 8mm mauser didn't catch on.They really don't offer anything that our calibers can't get done.

But I tell ya a moose hit in the boiler with 195gr softpoint is going down.

SA1911a1 wrote:Well, D, that is because the 30-30 brings out the cowboy in all of us, admit it, you know its true! My son lusted after my Winchester until I gave it to him.

Yeah, I suppose so...kind of. My Dad and Mom bought it for me when I was 17 to go hunting with. I was carrying around a NO5 carbine enfield until then. I guess I stayed with it because it will bring down everything I go after, and is a very light rifle. Also, because of my eyes, I have side mount scope which is perfect for shooting left handed and I can still see down the ramp sights for close up shots......AND......it makes me feel like a cowboy when I carry it!!

I always carry a side arm also. It used to be a Ruger 22 convertible (22 mag) single action, but now it's a Glock .45....not very cowboy though!!!

That Winchester is just do darn light ......now that I'm getting older! All the guys that go with me are using 308's and some of these new smaller MAGs?

D

Sonny wrote:Yes since 1976 a Winchester model 70 in .30-06 has been my go to hunting rifle.
Up here in my neck of the woods most guys use a 7mm rem mag,.308,.30-06,.300win mag with a few .338's thrown in.

Maybe that's why calibers such as .7.62x54r 7.5x55swiss and 8mm mauser didn't catch on.They really don't offer anything that our calibers can't get done.

But I tell ya a moose hit in the boiler with 195gr softpoint is going down.

A lot of those calibers used around here too. Most whitetails around here are taken at less than 100 yards and many
use the magnum calibers. I'll just keep using the 336 Marlin chambered in 35 Rem. It is all I have ever needed.

A Marlin 336 in .35rem is a great brush gun.

Problem up here is that sometimes you need to shoot 200-300 yards or more but with my old eyes 200 is my limit.

I'll leave the really long shots for the younger guys.

Well, I'm a few years older than dolk is I got my 30-30 Model 94 Winchester a little sooner than he did. I got mine when Christmas rolled around in 1958, I had just turned 14. I still have it and my son and grandson are fighting over it...not my problem. It will stay with me until I depart this big blue marble.

8mm Mauser (8x57JS) is a fine hunting round. It is still popular for hunting in Germany and some surrounding countries. Although bring-backs were often used for huntimg, people tend to use rifles in the calibers they used in the service; Thus .30-06 is popular in the US, .303 in Canada, etc. Only reason I don't hunt with my 8mm is I don't want to risk ruining the beautiful stock on it out in the woods. That and I don't have dies for 8mm.

That is a pricey pile of 8MM. I have some commercial stuff, but my 8MMs all eat turk surplus. I agree with the others that 8mm never really hit it here is the folks back in the day knew '06 was good enough, and had probably bad memories of 8mm and the guns that fired it.

As a group shooters here in the good old US of A have been resistive to excepting the Mauser rounds out there 7mm and 8mm. One issue is the way our ammo manufacturers under load the 8X57 round and the 7X57 round. They worry about the older rifles and people blowing them up. I can understand the concern for the .318 bore 1888 rifle but the 1895 and 1893 Mauser in 7X57 was loaded pretty hot from the first ammo made for the weapons.
Anyway I sure wish some body would chamber a new rifle in 8X57 it's as good a round as the 30-06 and I think better than the 308.

Burrhead wrote:As a group shooters here in the good old US of A have been resistive to excepting the Mauser rounds out there 7mm and 8mm. One issue is the way our ammo manufacturers under load the 8X57 round and the 7X57 round. They worry about the older rifles and people blowing them up. I can understand the concern for the .318 bore 1888 rifle but the 1895 and 1893 Mauser in 7X57 was loaded pretty hot from the first ammo made for the weapons.
Anyway I sure wish some body would chamber a new rifle in 8X57 it's as good a round as the 30-06 and I think better than the 308.

Agreed. I love the Mauser rounds both 8 & 7mm.

I think the main reason 8x57 & 7x57 never gained favor post WWII in the U.S. is because of WWII. No gun manufacturer was gonna offer a round that was associated with an enemy such as Nazi Germany.

Next, Consider how many similiar wildcat rounds came & went in the 50's & 60's... Some of them became standardized rounds. It was all about American developed & American made.

No pics but I found a box of Prvi Partizan 196gr FMJ and it grouped better than the expensive Hornady ammo..

What's up with that?

Some firearms like different ammo from what we like.

Longcolt44 wrote:Some firearms like different ammo from what we like.

Yes I know and it only goes to show you that more $$$ is not always better.

Prvi....... 1
Horandy..0

Now I need to order some S&B just to see what it shoots like.

Rongo wrote:

Burrhead wrote:As a group shooters here in the good old US of A have been resistive to excepting the Mauser rounds out there 7mm and 8mm. One issue is the way our ammo manufacturers under load the 8X57 round and the 7X57 round. They worry about the older rifles and people blowing them up. I can understand the concern for the .318 bore 1888 rifle but the 1895 and 1893 Mauser in 7X57 was loaded pretty hot from the first ammo made for the weapons.
Anyway I sure wish some body would chamber a new rifle in 8X57 it's as good a round as the 30-06 and I think better than the 308.

Agreed. I love the Mauser rounds both 8 & 7mm.

I think the main reason 8x57 & 7x57 never gained favor post WWII in the U.S. is because of WWII. No gun manufacturer was gonna offer a round that was associated with an enemy such as Nazi Germany.

Next, Consider how many similiar wildcat rounds came & went in the 50's & 60's... Some of them became standardized rounds. It was all about American developed & American made.

Rongo you are right I can remember how the adults around me talked the Germans down when I was a kid. Heck in WWI the propaganda war against all things German was the end of the Schuetzen games that the German immigrants brought to this country. So ya I can believe that.
As for the 196 grain bullet shooting so well I am not surprised by that either, my 98/29 seems to like the heavier bullet too.
Barrhead

There wasn't as much anti German sentiment in WWII as in WWI. The Japanese caught most of it in WWII. My Grandma remembered downplaying being German when she was little (born in 1916) but by WWII, had rediscovered enough pride in being German to give to my Dad as a middle name the name of a very famous fellow in October of 1941: Erwin Rommel. Makes me wonder where her head was in 1944, because my uncle's middle name is Iven.....