DB marked sks: what is it?

[fintowin]

I went to look at an SKS for sale that was listed as an "un fired norinco". I got there and the gun was obviously fired. The side if the reciever has DB stamped where the factory mark usually is and then the serial #. No other markings that I can see easily. He wanted 400.00 for it. I told him it was not un fired and I would give him 250.00 for it. He said ok, so I bought it.
Anybody ever see a "DB" marked sks? It looks like a type 56 to me.

I will get pics up when I get it home.

[Greasemonkey]

I've ran across one, it's not a common marking, there is also a DP stamped variant. I've seen guesses on everything from a possible Chinese contract rifle for Pakistan to every other imaginable guess. Being Chinese, we'll never know and can only guess, China ain't talking. By all accounts, it is a standard Type 56, but for some reason some got DP and DB stamps, must have been some reason. But again being China, there may have been no reason other than to add confusion. The one I saw had a pressed barrel, not the earlier threaded style indicating it was somewhat later in Chinese production.

I will get pics up when I get it home.

Are ya home yet

[fintowin]

Sorry for the worthless pic-less thread. I didnt have time to get any up when I got home. My phone pics are too large of a file to uploaad onto this site. I have to crop them in order to upload. Here is a cropped close-up of the DB. It has a chinese character after it if you look real close. I was searching online for the DB sks, and I found a couple of people translated that character to "brigade".

My carbine has cosmo dried onto the surface pretty heavy, so it is hard to see the chinese mark between the db and the serial. It is there though.

[fintowin]

Import mark

[tjtM38]

A good deal on a Norinco SKS. I have two of these and like them more with every shot. Make sure you completely disassemble and get all the cosmoline out. A lot of people bought these in the 90's and didn't do shit to them before taking them out and shooting some until they jammed up. Mine weren't unfired, but they certainly hadn't been fired much. Owners probably bought them and had no clue or didn't care how to clean up a milsurp.

[fintowin]

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Here are some pics before thorough cleaning. I have the bayo, just not on in the pics.

[tjtM38]

Make sure that firing pin and firing pin channel is clean and is not stuck forward in old cosmoline. Otherwise, you are asking for slam fire. The pics look great; this should be a very nice shooter for you.

[fintowin]

I have heard of that happening (slam fire). The pin on this one moves freely, but I will spray it out good w/carb cleaner then put gun oil in it.

[Greasemonkey]

I have heard of that happening (slam fire). The pin on this one moves freely, but I will spray it out good w/carb cleaner then put gun oil in it.

I would recommend puling the pin and cleaning the channel, the carb spray could loosen grease only to have it reharden in another location. Removal allows inspection of the tip for any damage, also to verify the pin is truly straight, a bent pin, even slightly could hang in the channel. Also, use very little if any oil on the pin or in the firing pin channel, excess can and will attract soot and small debris during firing, and you will be back at risk of slam fire.

Nice looking SKS

[tjtM38]

I have heard of that happening (slam fire). The pin on this one moves freely, but I will spray it out good w/carb cleaner then put gun oil in it.

I would recommend puling the pin and cleaning the channel, the carb spray could loosen grease only to have it reharden in another location. Removal allows inspection of the tip for any damage, also to verify the pin is truly straight, a bent pin, even slightly could hang in the channel. Also, use very little if any oil on the pin or in the firing pin channel, excess can and will attract soot and small debris during firing, and you will be back at risk of slam fire.

Nice looking SKS

I concur with Greasemonkey; disassemble and clean the bolt. Avoid oil in the firing pin channel.

[fintowin]

Will do. Thanks for the heads up. BTW, are those spring like sling connectors regular issue?

[Ironnewt]

Will do. Thanks for the heads up. BTW, are those spring like sling connectors regular issue?

The first ones I have seen. A bunch of us bought Norincos in MD back in the 80's and I don't remember any having that type of sling. It looks Neat

[Greasemonkey]

The spring end slings are more commonly found and used on Chinese Aks and some later production SKSs. Both my Mak 90s have that style, they technically are correct for the SKS, I have a Chinese Security Force SKS with that style. There is also a Chinese sling Ak/SKS that has one end with the spring.

[Buckhead]

Nice find I love the SKS carbines. How did he think he could pass that off as "un fired" I may be wrong but it sure looks fired to me.
But you got it for a good price.

[Bareassmeagain]

Thats a nice Chi-Com and you did very good on the price ! As far as the bolt cleaning goes I always take it apart, spray inside the channel with brake parts cleaner using nozzle then take a q-tip and ram it through to the small FP hole. Then blow it out with small air nozzle. Safety glasses recomended. You can pick up a chi-com spike bayonet pretty cheap on ebay. Good going ! Thats a keeper

[fintowin]

I got a bayo for 10 bucks from a friend if mine. He has bayos for alot of common milsurps usually pretty cheap.

[Bareassmeagain]

Ya can't beat that price. Chi-Coms are great shooters and function flawlessly. Give us a range report when she's all cleaned up & ready to rock & roll.. BAMA

[Tank 50]

Anyone have any later information on the DB/DP markings? My first is a DB. Unlike some it is pretty well finished. Also a good shooter. Proof that you can't stop at just one (like Mausers).

[Greasemonkey]

One thing about the DP/DB is there is no normal factory code, or factory number.. Which after several years the closest we have come to decoding, is the symbol after the DP/DB stamp is for respective cities in China. Most likely where the factory is located, and all of these cities are fairly close to the Russian border.

This list is not complete, possibly slightly out of date, but, it shows some of the single Chinese symbols found on the DP/DB and which cities we think they represent.
Stamped symbol: City in Chinese(city translated to english)
旅: 旅順 (Lushun City)
丹: 丹东 (Dandong City)
沈: 沈阳 (ShenYang City)
大: 大连 (Dalian City)
白: 白城 (Baicheng City)
延: 延庆 (Yanqing City)
吉: 吉林 (Jilin City)
哈: 哈尔滨 (Harbin City)

It really is a best guess, but in all instances the single Chinese symbol stamped on the receiver corresponds to the name of the respective city. The single Chinese symbol we believe is more or less the factory code. Which raises the question: Why did they hid the factory number this way, maybe to make incognito weapons for export to other nations etc. It is a common practice to do, but, it's just a guess.

The actual meaning of DB/DP is an argument/study/discussion. General thinking is these DB/DP stamps were done at a later time in the rifles life, Bangladesh and Pakistan seems to be the consensus, which Chinese weaponry can be found in both nations, but like everything with Chinese, again...... it's a guess, nothing is carved in stone with Chinese weapons

[steelbuttplate]

Import mark

Imported to where? originally. Isn't that some Russian on it?