The Russian Mosin Nagant Forum

Hello,

I stumbled across this:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... leppo.html

I mean, it's something one might see as a "Bubba" in the US, but this one has never left the battlefield.

Isn't a Bubba'd rifle one that has been altered from battlefield condition? This looks more like a modern use of an old military weapon as a sniper's rifle.

Not meaning to cause any trouble; I'm just very curious and your thoughts would help. I've found pictures of SKS carbines being used in similar fashions, complete with 'scopes, as I'm sure you all have. They are captured by our troops.

What say you on this Mosin?

Regards,

Josh

all i know is i want it:P

Personally I would say a rifle modified for use in battlefield conditions, to improve it's performance on the battlefield is not a Bubba regardless if the modification is crude. Not done by a government arsenal, nevertheless it is a partisan weapon why I came to this opinion, it's still a battlefield weapon on the battlefield, still making history therefore it's historical integrity remains though evolving to fit the needs of the present conditions.

Perhaps a Polish Haji? Sorry, I take that back.

Well when we give the Syrians weapons he will be able to upgrade.

You notice that he is using a no alteration style scope mount? As for the stock markings, this is something soldiers do in the field. Girlfriends names, place names, maybe a f*** you to the enemy or score marks for enemy killed. That little bit of painting that the pictured whatever he is has done would come right off. Not Bubba at all.

Yea looks Polish to me too.

Looks almost like the scope mount is welded on. I can see a heap of something around the mount base. I guess whatever works on the battlefield. Its definately different circumstances than a normal bubba modification.

Josh Smith wrote:Hello,

I stumbled across this:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... leppo.html

I mean, it's something one might see as a "Bubba" in the US, but this one has never left the battlefield.

Isn't a Bubba'd rifle one that has been altered from battlefield condition? This looks more like a modern use of an old military weapon as a sniper's rifle.

Not meaning to cause any trouble; I'm just very curious and your thoughts would help. I've found pictures of SKS carbines being used in similar fashions, complete with 'scopes, as I'm sure you all have. They are captured by our troops.

What say you on this Mosin?

Regards,

Josh

A little liberal in your assessment aren't you. This to them is a tool in a war, nothing more. They don't give a rat's sh!t on collectability & I wouldn't either if a modified tool went the difference in my survival.

That is a really cool picture Josh. If war broke out here on our turf, and I found myself joining a band of American insurgents to defend against an enemy, I would grab my M39 and duct tape stuff to it if it would help me shoot better. Collectibility don't mean anything to guys in these conditions. Telling that dude what bubba did to his rifle would likely get someone shot!

bunkysdad wrote:That is a really cool picture Josh. If war broke out here on our turf, and I found myself joining a band of American insurgents to defend against an enemy, I would grab my M39 and duct tape stuff to it if it would help me shoot better. Collectibility don't mean anything to guys in these conditions. Telling that dude what bubba did to his rifle would likely get someone shot!

In the event of that the first thing I would do is camo paint my M14 front to back.

Collecting is one thing... Surviving to see another day is something totally different.

Looks to me to be an M44, notice what appears to be a bayonet relief cut on the stock. The "blob" around the base may be part of one of those leaves seen in the barrel behind him and being used for camo that is not seen in the picture. Interesting that they are getting scout scope mounts. They all look pretty clean shaven and nicely groomed as well for being insurgents, guerilla fighters or rebels, or what ever. And, the shooters hand and trigger finger look wrong. Just some observations.

Semper Fi, Rob

The stock on that rifle looks Polish, he has an odd way of holding the rifle, but maybe that's because of the small hole he must bee shooting out of, or the need to aim with the scope.

Josh Smith wrote:Hello,

I stumbled across this:

Isn't a Bubba'd rifle one that has been altered from battlefield condition? This looks more like a modern use of an old military weapon as a sniper's rifle.

Not meaning to cause any trouble; I'm just very curious and your thoughts would help. I've found pictures of SKS carbines being used in similar fashions, complete with 'scopes, as I'm sure you all have. They are captured by our troops.

What say you on this Mosin?

Regards,

Josh

Everybody that's replied has raised excellent points, Josh, but I'm going to add my own twist by saying this weapon has evolved because of battlefield conditions. I can only assume these gentlemen are Syrian rebels and given that they probably have neither the connections nor access to acquire AK's, they're making due with what they can scrape together begging, borrowing or purchasing from people who sympathize with them. In this case, I can hardly blame Bubba. I would even go so far as to say this weapon is still making battlefield history, so it can't classified as a "bubba-ized" weapon. Besides, some of the greatest military advancements have taken place during combat situations. If I were more awake, I'm sure I'd be able to site something, but my allergy meds are starting to kick in with a vengeance.

That was an excellent and very thought provoking post. Thank you.

bws

The Russians are supplying the government and not the rebels. This could very well be a government fighter. It would not be the first time Poland has funneled weapons to soviet allies.

Junk Yard Dog wrote:The stock on that rifle looks Polish, he has an odd way of holding the rifle, but maybe that's because of the small hole he must bee shooting out of, or the need to aim with the scope.

Yeah I think you're right and I think Rob is right too, it looks to be a Polish M44. I blew up the picture and you can barely make out the tip of the bayonet in that cutout he mentioned. The scope blob is to blurry to make out with the picture blown up but it does look like some sort of aid in mounting the scope.

Maybe one day that rifle will be in this country as surplus .