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Picked this up when I picked up the madsen so almost a fair trade. Spanish civil war polish wz29. Evidenced by the scrubbed crest and a circle z mark and a few other traits. Most of these were wiped out making the Spanish m43s and m44s (airforce) rifles so there are not a lot around. Still in ooey gooey mess but most is dried on.

Very cool, des!

Very nice grab! I hadn't heard of these before you got this one.

That makes 2 of us Dave. I was searching for what it was and quickly found out though. It was listed as a k98 which of course it is not. About a 1/4 or half an inch longer then a m24/47. All that yellow is dried so I am doubting this has been fired for ever. The magazine is really caked. It will take a while to clean this one up.

That is really cool.

awesome nice! Very unique!

Nice one Brad. I like the history behind it.

Still trying to find some of the history but It is clear the poles or someone sent a bunch of wz29 rifles, and before they sent them they scrubbed the receiver. Then after most were worn out they took the receivers and made the Spanish m43 and Spanish m44 air force rifles out of the polish receivers, so the actual wzs that were sent to spain are not found very much I guess. This is a first for me. I have the bolt cleaned up and the chamber looks better and I have cleaned the barrel up some but I am done with it for the day. The stock looks in fabulous shape and the outside of the metal is excellent. Haven't rechecked the bore yet. Back at it tomorrow.

Another good one Des looks like it should clean up real nice.

desdem12 wrote:Picked this up when I picked up the madsen so almost a fair trade. Spanish civil war polish wz29. Evidenced by the scrubbed crest and a circle z mark and a few other traits. Most of these were wiped out making the Spanish m43s and m44s (airforce) rifles so there are not a lot around. Still in ooey gooey mess but most is dried on.

Got it when ya got the Madsen , I didn't find a Polish Wz29 packed in the box with the Madsen, I went and rechecked the box. NOPE, no Mauser in there

Sweet lookin Mauser Brad Your trying to lure me out again aren't ya

I just got it home but when I finished paying for the madsen I looked around and this was hiding by hunting rifles. So I have to blame you at the very least for having to pay for this one also. Ah who am I kidding, I go to that store at least once a week. They had zipo yesterday when I picked this one up though. The search for history on it continues though.
P.S. GM, I would maybe trade this for a certain B barrel and a rifle to be named later..

Well I have traced the polish rifles sent to spain. They were sold to a british company who sold or were bought as aid for the republican forces. This is a list of stuff sent to spain and the link has it in better form. Table is at the bottom of the article.

http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/spaintable.html

Dealer Type Port Date Quantity
Grimard, Polish WZ29Mausers,7.92mm Danzig 09/09/36 10,000
Grimard, Polish WZ29 BAR, 7.92mm Danzig 09/09/36 200
Willi Daugs,Polish WZ29 Mausers, 7.92mm Danzig 09/09/36 9,300
Note: This group believed to have been originally destined for Zionists in Palestine and consisted of unserviceable WZ29 rebuilt at ZB in Moravia, but diverted to Spain.
Soviet Russia Obsolete foreign rifles Feodisia 09/26/36 20,350
Soviet Russia Obsolete foreign rifles Feodisia 10/22/36 15,655
Grimard ? Pattern 14 Enfields .303 Danzig 10/01/36 5,000
?????? P14 and M10 Ross .303 Memel 10/06/26 21,000
Grimard Polish WZ28 BAR 7.92mm Danzig 10/07/36 100
Grimard French CRGS CAR 8mm Lebel Danzig 10/07/36 5,000
Daugs Bergmann LMG M1915 7.92mm Danzig 10/07/36 1,481
Daugs Mannlicher Carbines M95
8x50mmR Danzig 10/29/36 10,000
Krivitsky Front Mannlicher Rifles 8x50mmR Danzig 10/30/36 10,000
Soviet Russia Lee Enfield MK.3* .303 Black Sea 11/06/36 1,000
Soviet Russia French Lebels 8mm Lebel Black Sea 11/06/36 900
Soviet Russia Foreign rifles - various Black Sea 11/15/36 1,920
Grimard Mannlicher Rifles M95
8x50mmR Danzig 10/07/36 10,000
Grimard Mosin Nagant M91 7.62x53mmR Danzig 01/09/37 2,930
Soviet Russia Mosin Nagant M91 7.62x53mmR Black Sea 01/04/37 25,500
Soviet Russia Mosin Nagant M91/30
7.62x53mmR Black Sea 03/06/37 24,580
Marcus Wolf Mannlicher Rifles M95
8x50mmR Danzig 01/15/37 7,000
Daugs Mauser KAR98AZ Erfurt 7.92 mm Danzig 01/15/37 2,000
Wolf French M07/15 Berthier
8mm Lebel Danzig 03/04/37 14,460
Wolf Mannlicher M88/90 & M95
8x50mmR Danzig 04/14/37 7,000
Wolf French Mannlicher M07/15
Berthier 8mm Lebel Danzig 04/14/37 8,040
Wolf Mannlicher M88/90 Rifles
8x50mmR Danzig 04/08/37 5,000
Soviet Russia Foreign rifles - various Black Sea 04/29/37 10,000
Soviet Russia Mosin Nagant M91 7.62x53mmR Black Sea 04/29/37 15,000
Soviet Russia Mosin Nagant M91/30
7.62x53 mmR Black Sea 07/30/37 39,550
Wolf Polish WZ28 BAR 7.92mm Danzig 07/31/37 225
Wolf Polish WZ29 Mausers 7.92mm Danzig 07/31/37 5,800
T. Erich Mixed Mauser M07 M28 7.65mm Tallin 09/27/27 7,119
T. Erich Vickers Berthier AR 7.65mm Tallin 09/27/37 233
Note: Last two entries represent Chaco War surplus bought from Paraguay and include captured Bolivian Mausers as well as the BV's.
Soviet Russia Mosin Nagant M91/30 7.62x53mmR Black Sea 02/13/38 40,100
Soviet Russia Czech VZ24 Mausers 7.92mm ???? 03/01/38 50,000

Nice article and list! It gives great insight into how the refurbished hoard from the Ukraine was created. After being caught so unprepared for ww1, the USSR stockpiled any military arm on hand that would fire a projectile. The list reflects the variety that they had. It didn't stop it from thehappening again in WW2, and they became even more vigilant in keeping obsolete weapons on hand for.emergency use. This is how we have all of the various refurbished mosins, nagants, mause and steyr rifles now. Also makes me think there m39s with ugly red shellac in a salt mine somewhere.

Side note, its amazing how adaptable and long lived the Vertelli design was. They were used by British Home Guards, Trans Siberian railroad guards and Italian colonial troops in WW2 . Also by both sides in the SCW. Some of the Swiss ones showed up In Finland at some point too but earlier.

Very nice . That is a rare piece of history right there my friend

Finished it up today and wow, What a beauty this is. More pics for you guys.

The circle Z is for what I suspect to be a mark from ZB Brno where some of the wz29 rifles were redone.

Man Des it looks real good, the wood on it is amazing. Nice research skills, wow the history behind these.