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1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:39 pm
by bb91
Okay guy's, this makes my third M91/30.

I been looking for one of these babies for quite awhile now and last week found this one listed online.

I was totally surprised that I was able to get it since the seller had it listed correctly.

It has a counterbore of about 1-1/2".

I couldn't figure out exactly what would be an appropriate title for it so I decided to let you guy's tell me.

Enjoy!

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Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:43 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
M1891/30 refurbished Soviet rifle that at one time was a dragoon rifle. 1920 is a Russian Revolution year, the white and Red armys were still battling it out in Russia that year, production totals are likely to have been low with all that going on. Nice find :)

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:48 pm
by dou44
nice looking finn capture rifle. :thumbsup:

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:50 pm
by desdem12
I think i would call it..Flippin cool. A late war finn capture only to be recaptured and then redone by the soviets. I would call it a treasure trove of history too. Is the reciever the original 20?

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:52 pm
by SA1911a1
I like that one a lot! Very nice find.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:56 pm
by BostonMike
Nice rifle. The sight relief is probably the deepest I've ever seen and was done after the receiver stamping.

Is the receiver a 1920 as well??


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Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:21 pm
by racerguy00
Fantastic!!!! :D

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:23 pm
by bb91
I took it out of the stock while I was still at the shop hoping to find the receiver date but the tang is scrubbed or undated.

How unusual is the double stamp with the imperial eagle overstamping the Izhevsk crest on the receiver.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:26 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
It is a reused receiver from an earlier rifle, something the Russians and Finns did, not that uncommon, they never wasted a good receiver. With material shortages due to the internal strife in the country I would expect them to reuse anything and everything they could at that time.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:34 pm
by bb91
How about the rounded finger groove post war stock? :o :D Looks worse in person!

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Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:41 pm
by psmd
A recapture, very nice and very tough to find for any date, let alone that early.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:43 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
Not a recapture, at the time all sides were using Imperial era Mosins, the commies had the arsenals and were turning out new rifles, but the majority of rifles in service with the new Red Army would still be Imperial era ones in 1920.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:47 pm
by clayshooter2
Very, very cool. How much did it set you back? I remember one of those recaptures went for around $900 on gunbroker a few months back (I thought that was to high myself, but I met a world of opposition when I voiced my oppinion on another forum about it).

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:57 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
Oh, the SA, missed that, didn't know what everyone was talking about, can't see for shit anymore,

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:14 pm
by bb91
clayshooter2 wrote:Very, very cool. How much did it set you back? I remember one of those recaptures went for around $900 on gunbroker a few months back (I thought that was to high myself, but I met a world of opposition when I voiced my oppinion on another forum about it).
Clayshooter, thank you.

I believe that particular rifle was a Finnish Tikka rifle and would have only been a Russian captured rifle, but it would be very rare to show up in a crate of Ukranian refurbs so I guess it was a must have for the buyer and when money is not an issue you see crazy things.

The seller was asking $240.00 for this one and where it was listed I didn't have alot of time for negotiation so because of the rarity factor I thought it was worth it.

I was going to post about another 91/30 rifle that sold for over $400 in the last couple days but as I saw that a member of this forum was the seller I decided not too, that one was crazy but................

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:20 pm
by bb91
Junk Yard Dog wrote:Oh, the SA, missed that, didn't know what everyone was talking about, can't see for shit anymore,
So what would you call it now? :D

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:24 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
Soviet M1891/30 ex dragoon with recycled receiver Finn captured, Soviet captured, Revolution era rifle.

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:26 pm
by bb91
Junk Yard Dog wrote:Soviet M1891/30 ex dragoon with recycled receiver Finn captured, Soviet captured, Revolution era rifle.
Okay I'm really glad I didn't attempt that one! :lol:

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:35 pm
by racerguy00
Ok, lets see how many holes this one fills.

Ex-dragoon ~
Hard to find Russian civil war date~
Reused Imperial receiver~
SA marked~
41 marked~
Soviet recapture~

Even as a plain refurb it would look good.
The finger grooves are different for sure. Must have been cut on V-E day or something when the vodka was REALLY flowing. :D

Re: 1920 Ex-dragoon refurb?????

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:46 pm
by Junk Yard Dog
It was the Soviet Union, they could do that quality of work any given day :)