Lee Enfield No5 Mk1's: Show'm if you got'm

[Junk Yard Dog]

Nice Seems we have quite a few No5's around here, keep them coming

[bunkysdad]

I have a No 4 MkI That has a bolt with a hole in the knob. Was this common, as it basically looks like my#5 bolt, but then the #5's were made from the #4 receiver. The bolt # matches though so I never thought much about it. I have not found info yet in the Skennerton book, but it's a big book.

[tjtM38]

I have a No 4 MkI That has a bolt with a hole in the knob. Was this common, as it basically looks like my#5 bolt, but then the #5's were made from the #4 receiver. The bolt # matches though so I never thought much about it. I have not found info yet in the Skennerton book, but it's a big book.

Bunky, I think the hole in the bolt is one of the things that differentiates the No4 from the earlier rifles. Here is a site that I have been using to get a lot of good information:

http://www.enfieldrifles.ca/main.htm

[Junk Yard Dog]

Pics?

[Junk Yard Dog]

Of the bolt,

[Darryl]

Hole in the bolt is only and indication it is not made (bubba'd) from a earlier Enfield.

The hole has to be there for a No.5, but other #4 Enfields have them also.

Here is a photo of my Savage Enfield Lend lease (not a No.5)

Note: Hole in end of bolt.

[Junk Yard Dog]

It's been years since I had the Enfield collection out, I don't recall what the bolt handles were like, hollow or not, but I don't think they were hollow, I have to look. I know the N05's is hollow, that one is never stored away, it's my favorite Enfield shooter

[etprescottazusa91]

It's been years since I had the Enfield collection out, I don't recall what the bolt handles were like, hollow or not, but I don't think they were hollow, I have to look. I know the N05's is hollow, that one is never stored away, it's my favorite Enfield shooter

I have a really nice matching (including magazine) 48 Fazakerley No4 with a hollow bolt handle so it looks like at least in late production No4 rifles had them.

[Junk Yard Dog]

After checking the list I have no post war No4's, the No5 is the latest until the MKII in 1955. My No4's are all wartime so maybe that's why I don't remember any hollow bolt handles.

[Jumperwire]

Hole in the bolt is only and indication it is not made (bubba'd) from a earlier Enfield.

The hole has to be there for a No.5, but other #4 Enfields have them also.

Here is a photo of my Savage Enfield Lend lease (not a No.5)

Note: Hole in end of bolt.

Actually there are a few things to check. I can't remember them all but the rear sight should only go to 800 meters.

Here is a site, but I will quote it as well. http://www.angelfire.com/nh/milarm/fakes.html

No. 5 “Jungle Carbine” Overall length 39-1/2 inches; 20-1/2 inch barrel with flash hider. Rubber buttplate; short fore-end. An honest No. 5 rifle (or “Jungle Carbine”) has lightening flutes cut in the barrel knox form and extensive milling done to the receiver to lighten it. (Take the handguard off and look for the barrel flutes.) Also, an honest No. 5 will be electro-engraved “No5MKI” on the left side of the receiver and will not have “No. 4” stamped or engraved anywhere on it. In addition, an honest No. 5 will bear the proper manufacturer’s code: “(ROF)F” for Fazakerley or “M47C” for BSA-Shirley. Finally, the barrel band will be only 8 inches in front of the receiver ring--rather than 10-3/4 inches as on a No. 4 rifle. In the 1950s and 1960s, Golden State Arms Co. of Pasadena, California modified quite a few No. 4 rifles by shortening the barrels, adding flash hiders, and shortening the fore-ends. Some were equipped with Fajen or Bishop sporter stocks, as well. These were called various names, such as “No. 4 Jungle Carbine,” or “Santa Fe Mountain Carbine,” or “Mountain Rifle,” but all have “Golden State Arms” and “Santa Fe” roll-stamped on the barrel. Nice aftermarket conversions, but strictly that. Currently, Navy Arms is doing the same thing with No. 4 rifles and selling them as “No. 5 Jungle Carbines.” At arm’s length they look genuine, but they have standard No. 4 rifle markings and DO NOT have the lightening flutes on the barrel or the lightening cuts on the receiver. These are strictly fakes--or thinly disguised “replicas.”

[etprescottazusa91]

Nice Seems we have quite a few No5's around here, keep them coming

Out of a quarter million made we have this many in this group alone, pretty good

[Junk Yard Dog]

There must be a few more hiding around here someplace

[bunkysdad]

Yes Dolk, my bolt looks exactly like the one you have pictured. Hey this is good thread, with a couple of good links. Thanks guys, and JYD I will get some pics, this weekend I am going to get the No4 back together and take pictures.

[Junk Yard Dog]

I keep meaning to bust some out for pics myself, but in winter it's hard, even in the half winter we are having, scrubbing cosmoline is outside work.