New 1928 Izhevsk. (Also in need of help, a brown dust question)

[kingdomfiend]

First things first, this is my first post here, so I wanted to show my new 1928 Izhevsk I got a couple weeks ago.



She shoots wonderfully, after descomo-ing and the like, during the first outing we were hitting an empty propane tank at about 160 meters with no problems with the iron sights. Yes we were shooting corrosive russian surplus, but afterwards I spent about 40 minutes cleaning the rifle.

What I joined here today was to bring up a question and hopefully get some answers because a gun friend of mine suggested I take pictures and put them up. After cleaning the rifle, it was put away in its gunbag for about a week. I pulled it out to discover a dark brown dust coating the inside of JUST the barrel. No other metal parts or the receiver even. Upon inspection and some patches if any kind of saturated patch goes though the rifle, the patch will come out like the one below:
Wet patches:


I figured maybe it was just something with the way I cleaned it, so I did some more cleaning, made sure it was dry and left it for a few days, and low and behold just by sticking a dry patch into the front of the barrel and swabbing around a tiny bit, its still there. It doesn't SEEM to be rust, so I am just looking for some help as to maybe what is causing it.

Dry patches:


Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[millman]

Did you use water or a water based cleaner? Water is the needed to remove the salts that comes from the corrosive ammo. That looks like rust on those patches. I use 3 patches soaked with windex (windex is mostly water), 2 or 3 dry patches, a patch wet with wd40 ( to displace the windex(water)), followed by a regular cleaning with Hoppes 9. Make sure to finish with an oil soaked patch to prevent rust.

[kingdomfiend]

Did you use water or a water based cleaner? Water is the needed to remove the salts that comes from the corrosive ammo. That looks like rust on those patches. I use 3 patches soaked with windex (windex is mostly water), 2 or 3 dry patches, a patch wet with wd40 ( to displace the windex(water)), followed by a regular cleaning with Hoppes 9. Make sure to finish with an oil soaked patch to prevent rust.

When I cleaned it, I used several patches of Hoppes9 throughout the process. And a remoil soaked patch to finish the job.

[Darryl]

Like Millman said, water is needed to remove the salts from the primers of surplus ammo. Just about any water will do and windex probalby gives you some extra cleaning action.

These old rifles have "micro pitting" in the barrel, and sometime it takes a while to get the crud out of those pits. Sometime many cleanings.

If it is rust, it is probably a thin layer and not horrible, unless you let it set for any time.

I break my rifles down to the barrel and action anytime I fire surplus ammo.
Run boiling hot water down the barrel (that is why I remove the wood)
Then clean with any good cleaner (like hoppies or any of them will do).
Then oil with a good rifle oil (Remoil, Breakfree).
I leave the oil in the barrel pretty heavy until I use the rifle the next time. I run a dry patch before taking it out the next time.

If you can clean the barrel just after firing it (like at the range) you will find the heat of the ammo you just fired will help with the cleaning action. So heat that puppy up with a bunch of rounds, then clean and oil it, and don't worry.

Remember, these are ex battle rifles and there were many times they were put to bed uncleaned. Probably why the micro pitting and the dark bores!


Don't forget to oil the outside of the barrel and all the metal when cleaning.


Oh, and welcome to the forums and that is a really nice Hex you have there!

Dolk

[kingdomfiend]

Thanks guys. Ill see what I can do over the weekend. I wasn't sure what to think because it keeps coming back when I check it every couple days now. Ill stick a dry patch through and it will come out looking like those other ones. She's a WONDERFUL shooter and I just don't wanna lose what I ha e.

[desdem12]

Nice gun. I don't know where you live but i used to store a few guns in the bags too, i found this promotes rust more than anything. I leave my guns in the safe now out of the gun bags. If there is any moisture at all it will stay there while in the bag. And make sure and oil em up.

[kingdomfiend]

Nice gun. I don't know where you live but i used to store a few guns in the bags too, i found this promotes rust more than anything. I leave my guns in the safe now out of the gun bags. If there is any moisture at all it will stay there while in the bag. And make sure and oil em up.

Maryland, but I didnt know about the bag thing. Ill see what I can do.

[SA1911a1]

That dust does look a lot like iron oxide. A good application of di-hydrogen monoxide will prevent that.

[Junk Yard Dog]

That is rust in your weapons bore, to remove it run a quart of boiling water through the breech and down the bore before regular cleaning. It need not take much time, get an electric tea pot at wallmart, they hold about a quart, hold the rifle in one hand by the buttstock with the muzzle pointed straight down at the ground, with the other hand ( bolt removed from action) pour the water down into the chamber, be carefull, but any water you spill will steam off, that's why we want it hot. The teapot spout ( cheap plastic pot) guides the water were you want it to go very well. When you have shaken the last few drops out of the bore then set the rifle aside to cool slightly, you want it to be still hot when you start running Hoppes 9 soaked patches through it, the heat will help loosen a lot of the fouling, and the water has carried away the salts. Hit the head of the bolt with a bit of water also, and if you shot it with the bayonet mounted then you have to wash that off also. When you are done cleaning you run a couple of patches of wet oil through the bore, not spray crap like WD40, but regular wet oil, motor oil made for your car will work very well to protect that bore in storage. Next time you go to shoot just wipe down the bore first.

[kingdomfiend]

Thanks all for the info. I did as instructed with the boiling water and what-not, cleaned it out, and oiled everything up once I was finished and its not tucked away safely.

I DID however take the same to discover some new markings on the back of the receiver that were covered in a rusty gook on either side. here is those markings:



Now that shes been re-cleaned I laid it out and took a few more pretty shots as well, figured it couldn't hurt since the internet hasn't seen it TOO much yet, heh.

[desdem12]

Very pretty rifle