Not a Mosin, But Almost As Good... :D

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Not a Mosin, But Almost As Good... :D

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Hello,

I got it in my head today that I wanted a Mauser. I went to a few gunstores and they all wanted around $400 to $600 for one. Nope. All had bent bolt handles, too, and I wanted a straight one, being a lefty and all.

So I saw this thing in my favorite gunstore. Said "Amberg 88" or some danged thing on it. It had been sitting there for the better part of the year.

The gunstore owner said he wanted to see it gone, and he'd make me a deal. It had rust in the bore but looked OK overall.

I called up a friend who knows some about these things, told me some of what to check for. I told the gunstore owner that I'd have to come back for it after doing some research as I didn't know if it would be a wall hanger or a shooter, though I do like a project.

He told me that I know how he dislikes old milsurps. I know... too much research to find their value. He also knows how I like a project and to make an offer. I told him I didn't feel right doing so because I'd likely insult him.

He said he was thinking 50 bucks.

Not to pass up a deal, I came back with "How about 25?"

"40."

"30."

"35."

"Sold!" says I. $37.50 out the door.

I got it home and pulled it apart. One dent, very little surface rust -- just one spot on what appeared to be a hood on the barrel. The barrel was pristine under that hood. I had been afraid maybe it was rusted through.

Happily, it was not.

I was pushing what looked like mud out of the barrel, and after liberal amounts of Fluid Film and bore brushes wrapped in steel wool, it started to shine.

Not the best bore I've ever seen, but far from the worst. I've seen worse bores on Mosin-Nagants shoot well.

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With shooting, the bore is cleaning up. It shines now and there are only a couple dark spots in it that look like rust.

I'm still trying to decide for certain whether it's indeed redone for 0.323" bullets. It does have the "S" mark which means the chamber and leade were redone but the barrel was left as-was. Supposedly it can take either ammo, and I'm getting a little over an inch at 50 yards and 0.318" bullets.

It's showing low pressure signs, though, and the neck is blowing way up when I fire. I'm overworking my shells' necks. This coming week I'll try some 0.323" bullets lightly loaded in it -- they are on order. (As I'm given to understand, gas erosion was a problem with the 0.318" bullets and the 0.323" bullets were made to seal better. Dangerous to shoot in unmodified, non-"S" chambers).

This rifle originally saw action in a Bavarian reserve regiment before being shipped to Turkey for WWI (and you know it had 0.323" ammo shot through it there!).

This is, in my opinion, almost the perfect rifle. The sights are precise and the barrel (mine is reenforced) is floated for all intents and purposes by using that sleeve.

I would really only change the bolt. The lugs are a bit weak, and really should have a third. It's already been modified to 88/05 standards, and maybe 38 standards as well. Not sure on the latter as I'm not clear on what it entails.

It kicks hard, though, in prone. I'm not willing to put a recoil pad on it, though, as length-of-pull is perfect for me. Might end up investing in a P.A.S.T. pad as I have a bruised collarbone after five shots prone with 200grn bullets. I'm not a recoil wuss and do this regularly with the Mosin-Nagant, but this rifle is a bit lighter!

I've been researching this thing for the past week, week-and-a-half. Still confused a bit about the whole bullet size thing, but believe I have it figured out.

I have a tall sight on order from Brownell's. It's a Mauser sight that will either fit or will be modified to fit. (This sight does look like a Mauser's).

So, you-all reckon I made out OK for $37.50? :o :D

Regards,

Josh
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:o

I'll double your money! :D
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Holy buckets!!1

That was a deal & then some.

Be careful shooting that... Consider light handloads only with 150grn bullets... Nothing heavier. Also, top priority is to slug the bore & check headspace.

The bolt is something I would absolutely positively leave alone. Period. It is what it is... If your looking for a true Mauser project gun find an old bubba gun on a 98 action.

Other than that what a find. Well done. 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Hello,

I'm going to shape a tall Mauser sight blank (Brownell's, $14.99, beats out what I can do at that price). The stock sight will be preserved on a shelf.

I've fired it with starting loads and had primer set-back because I was using 0.318" bullets and not generating enough pressure.

Bumped it up half a grain and the situation improved mostly.

Other Gew88 shooters report the same thing, and they say it takes a bump of one to 1.5 grains for them, so I'm going to bump it another 0.5grns and call it good.

Accuracy is amazing. With 200grn round nosed bullets I plunked them into an inch with one flier at 60 yards, prone position. I'm not entirely sure I didn't flinch on that last one, though. I'm not a recoil wuss, but by the third shot my shoulder was bruised from the steel butt plate. I've refused to go with a recoil pad because I only use them to improve length-of-pull, but I may have to look at a P.A.S.T.

Now, the way they did the "S"-marked rifles is this: They found that the 200grn 0.318" bullets were allowing blow-by and eroding the barrels and shooting out the rifling. They solved the problem by bumping the bullet up to 0.323" and leaving the bore the same size. They had to relieve the throat and leade to keep the action intact.

So, from what I've found, the original load for this was a 0.318" bullet, round nose, 200 to 220 grains, at around 2200fps.

The "S" modification is for the first spitzer loads which were 0.323" 150 grain bullets at 2500fps or so. They bumped this speed up later.

The rifle should be safe with either load, and some folks even shoot surplus in it.

I do not.

I would, if it weren't 119 years old.

It will get the new sight, get the size and weight bullets that give best accuracy and provide for a lighter recoil, and put it on duty next to the Mosin-Nagant.

I don't need to modify anything because it's already how I'd design a rifle: It is free-floated for all intents and purposes, has very precise sights, and is pillar bedded. It is also push-feed, which I tend to prefer for precision.

The only changes I would have made in the design would have been 1) add a third (safety) lug to the bolt, like is found on the Mosin-Nagant. Gas venting seems to be similar; and 2) regulate the sights for COM precision hits.

My opinion of this rifle is that it is actually better than a Mauser 98 or 98K, save for the bolt strength. Everything I want and very little I don't!

Still, it will be babied and taken care of, given its age.

Thanks!

Josh
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Very nice Josh, that gun shop must be in a time warp. I paid a lot more for my 88.
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I can tell that i need to move somewhere. No deals like that around here, and no chance of gew 88's let alone for $40. Nice gun 8-) 8-)
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A Turk marked Commission 88, with a German unit marked band, these rifles sell in the $300 and up range on GB in this condition, and Amberg is lower production that most. Very good find, I scored a German issued one that had been a WW1 bringhome and had a VFW post marking, you can bet I didn't get it for no thirty eight bucks :lol:
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