Argentine 7.65x54 and 6.5x55 swede

[target]

Picked up some 7.65x54 (also called 7.65x53) and I did not know that stuff was non corrosive. Kind of blew my mind, I thought the swiss were the only ones really playing with non corrosive on a large scale.

Also picked up some 6.5x55 swede gallery ammo. About 200 rounds for 20 bucks.... so that's gonna be fun! Wouldn't mind knowing a bit more about this stuff though. At what range does it drop off at?

[Junk Yard Dog]

The French 8mm Lebel used a non corrosive primer, that's one of the reasons it tends to be dead after 40-50 years.

[target]

Yeah I didn't know it was non corrosive when i first got it, but i figured for 3 bucks a box... doesnt really matter

Also picked up a big yellow brick of BRITISH .303 for a very very fine price. 50 rounds on chargers. Kynoch mk.VI. Might have to go back and grab a couple more boxes

[Junk Yard Dog]

Good stuff for the ammo collection

[target]

Here is a couple pictures of that gallery ammo for the Swedish Mauser m96. He said he chronographed some and it was around 3500 FPS but then he said it splats into the dirt around 50 yards I'm gonna shoot some tomorrow and see how well the gun likes it. The two bags are a mix of dates with the majority being 1944 with spattering of 57, 47, 45, 43, 42, 41, and some 20s stuff. It's neat to see all the different headstamps on em too! I might take some pictures of them all and make a neat-o little chart or something.

What is the bullet weight on this stuff?

[Junk Yard Dog]

Missed the part about the gallery ammo, I bought a few thousand rounds of that stuff from Paragon sales back in '94, came in big tin boxes. Still have most of it, it's all I have left for the Swedish Mauser, or the AG42, it will not cycle the AG's action.

[MN Fan]

Wow, that's pretty cool. Its ugly, but cool

Nice find target. I look forward to your report!

[target]

That gallery ammo is pretty cool, shot 30 rounds of it. It will go past 60 yards! Through an old pizza box and then embed itself into a tree stump. I think thats about its effective range because at 25 I can hold a 2 inch group with it. At 60... opens up to about a foot still really awesome plinkin stuff though and I think it would be the terror of tin cans everywhere. Whats really cool is there is nearly zero felt recoil, If I had more I would sit out there all day! I wanna save the 160-170 rounds I have left though

Then I shot 10 rounds of the Argentine non corrosive stuff... wow that stuff lets you know you have a rifle in your hands. No hang fires and no failures so that was nice. If I had a better rest im sure I could hold em in a 2 inch group with ease, but off an ammo can on a picnic table i managed a nice 3-4 inch group, with 5 of em touching.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Pretty good shootin' I was trying the gallery loads at 100 yards, didn't work out so I had to move closer, at 50 yards I was at least on the paper, at 25 it was shooting well, but it was fun sniping tin cans with the stuff.

[Burrhead]

Target I wasn't aware of Argentina loading any of the 7.65 in non-corrosive, all the stuff I have ever gotten my hands on is very corrosive. I pulled bullets from some of it and even the base of the bullets were corroded. I read some place on the net to be aware of some of it being so corrosive that it even attached the cases on the inside, I have some like that here somewhere I got from a buddy, he screwed the barrel up on a nice 1909 Mauser by not cleaning for corrosive ammo. The guy was really bummed out about it. Everything I shoot in my 1891 is hand loaded and I made the brass from 30-06 for this reason.

[target]

I'll get some pictures of the stuff I have. I'm startin to think it might be some sort of commercial ammo from Argentina as apparently they made some. I'll get pics of the box and the headstamp. I'm a bit under the weather so it may take a while.

[target]

Here is a picture of the box and the headstamp. It also says on the box it's not corrosive so I thought that was pretty neat. I don't take it too seriously as with any ammo you can never be too sure especially with foreign ammo that's 50+ years old. This stuff lets you know it works too... quite the sharp recoil, but the gun likes it!

[target]

After a bit of digging turns out this stuff is pretty corrosive. I wonder why Argentina marked it as non corrosive... unless Fulminante means something other than primer... I'm stumped as to why they would do that.

[Burrhead]

Target here are a couple of pictures of some of the stuff I still have on hand. One is an actual surplus cartridge and the cleaner one is one I reloaded. Now I've had this on hand for a while, the reload is left over from a bad experience with my 1891. The last time I tried to shoot these reloaded one case split down the side and all I can say is bless those shooting glasses. I got a face full and well I haven't tried them sense. Anyway I believe the reload is a cartridge case with the same marking as yours. The other (notice the B.S. by the primer) is a 1942 date cartridge and I will not shoot this in my gun for two reasons. The loading is probably too hot for the 1891 as it's really loaded for the 1909 rifle and so has a higher operating pressure than what the 1891 action is rated for, and it's corrosive and I will not shoot corrosive ammo in my weapons.
After this happened I took a fired case I had that I had not reloaded and cut it in half with my dremil tool I split it length wise and the inside of the case was corroded really bad. So I told my buddy about it and the next time we got together we discussed this. End result is he was going to pull the slugs and give them to me if I wanted them. Thats where we are today on this. I have a pulled bullet here somewhere and the base of the bullet is even corroded, not a good sign in my opinion. So I am saving the rest of my berdan primers for my GP11 brass and the Swiss Stuff.
Burrhead

[target]

Good pics there. How come the diameter of the base on the 1942 cartridge looks smaller than the base of the reload? Is it actually smaller or is it just the angle of the camera?

I ran about 15 rounds of the stuff through my 91' and checked the cases and the primers, looked pretty good, the case necks looked good, no black around the neck or anything and near the bases didn't show signs of separation at all. I don't plan on shooting this a lot and when I do I will probably try to find some commercial stuff, keep this older stuff that I still have as a neat addition to the collection. I really wanna run some through chronograph and see where it's flying at though. I wear pretty good safety glasses when I shoot the older stuff and it's quite the sight to see someone who won't wear anything. A bit nerve wracking .

When I was shooting that gallery ammo through the m96 I was getting a considerable amount of gas blow right on the face, had my glasses though so I wasn't to concerned about it. Just seems there isn't enough pressure to really expand the case fully like the normal round would so there is a good deal of gas escaping.

[Burrhead]

Sorry for taking so long to reply Target. No the heads are the same diameter I think this is just the way I was holding them. Something else I was told that this stuff is too hot for the 1891 action as it is loaded for the 1909 rifle which is basically a 1898 Mauser and the 1891 is no where near that strong. So I think a little caution is in order with this stuff.
Burrhead

[target]

Thanks for the info. I spose I won't be shooting that stuff out of the rifle anymore. Unless!

What if I pull the bullet and dump a bit of the powder, how much powder would I need to extract in order to lower the pressures down to "safe" operating levels for the m1891 action?

Thanks for replying!

[Burrhead]

That's a hard question, what is enough? I'd still be worried about the brass holding up myself.
Burrhead