no more brownbear for me

[dou44]

i picked up some 5.56 americam eagle at the show sat.made byfederal will see how it does.

[target]

My Del-Ton M4 clone (wannabe) likes Wolf, Tulammo, American eagle (military), and American Eagle .223 Rem. Which is interesting since the 20 inch A2 I got from them wouldnt cycle any of the steel case stuff.

The Tulammo does run dirty as does Wolf and BrownBear but I think the money that you save buying this stuff warrants the little bit of extra time cleaning the gun. Comparing the Russian stuff to the American stuff at 100 yards... they both performed almost identically out of a 16 inch barrel, and since I don't plan on shooting past that range TOO often the Russian stuff will be more than adequate for my needs.

I will say that when the US ammo hits it breaks up and tears itself up, but that Russian stuff stays together and I've found many of them when diggin around the remains of old tree stumps. Have yet to find and Intact American 5.56/.223 bullet.

[Simo]

My Del-Ton M4 clone (wannabe) likes Wolf, Tulammo, American eagle (military), and American Eagle .223 Rem. Which is interesting since the 20 inch A2 I got from them wouldnt cycle any of the steel case stuff.

The Tulammo does run dirty as does Wolf and BrownBear but I think the money that you save buying this stuff warrants the little bit of extra time cleaning the gun. Comparing the Russian stuff to the American stuff at 100 yards... they both performed almost identically out of a 16 inch barrel, and since I don't plan on shooting past that range TOO often the Russian stuff will be more than adequate for my needs.

I will say that when the US ammo hits it breaks up and tears itself up, but that Russian stuff stays together and I've found many of them when diggin around the remains of old tree stumps. Have yet to find and Intact American 5.56/.223 bullet.

5.56 is meant to fragment.

[target]

Yes I know that, I was just stating that the FMJ from Wolf/Tulammo does not fragment. Flattens out but retains its shape.

[Simo]

Yes I know that, I was just stating that the FMJ from Wolf/Tulammo does not fragment. Flattens out but retains its shape.

their x39 holds together very well also, its suprising how solid they produce their projectiles.

[SA1911a1]

Brown bear is great cheap com bloc ammo , some of the best , i would buy 10 cases and store it up for zombie-ageddon .. i don't own a AR yet , but i expect to pick one up cheap after the tactical craze wears off and the market is flooded with them , i have fired a M16 full auto made in 1968 , a few AR's and a bushmaster .308 and i can say i prefer the wore out M16 and the .308 over the modern AR , AR's are real tight and need to be broken in thoroughly for reliability , i like the .308 hands down , but hey you need one of each ..

My old SAR-1 needed a lot of break-in as well. I broke into the box and it has never let me down since.

[Noble Sniper]

Thats the whole problem with the AR platform and why I do not trust it as a battle rifle. To darn touchy. I have put some kalashnikovs thru hell and back and they keep going bang bang bang.................. get a piston upgrade and mae it a ultimate AR ;)

[Junk Yard Dog]

The AK47, for when you absolutely, positively, have to kill every mother****** in the room ! I tested the Maddi when I first got it and was unimpressed by it's appearance, passed every one, and has never let me down in more than 20 years now.

[dou44]

i just put 100 rounds of american eagle 5.56 through it .ammo shoots vg and is not as dirty as the others .i will shoot it till i can get a good deal on lake city or federial even though ae is made my them .

[OLD OUTLAW]

i just put 100 rounds of american eagle 5.56 through it .ammo shoots vg and is not as dirty as the others .i will shoot it till i can get a good deal on lake city or federial even though ae is made my them .

Don't know if this would help or not. I don't use any .223 or 5.56 myself. But they have a lot of the 5.56 of the types you mention.

http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-amm ... /223-556mm

I think Weldonhunter has mentioned them here and his website.

[CommoMan]

Western weapons require modern ammo, and clean powders. The commies made everything to work even if it had mud frozen in it. The Mattel special requires attention to cleaning, and it was lack of cleaning and dirty powder that caused it's initial problems in Vietnam.

In my low speed/high drag experience, cleaning an AR or M16A2 takes about an hour an a half.

Cleaning an AK to similar standards takes a third to a half of that time.

You can tell which one was designed by an NCO and which by an aerospace engineer.

[bbekalb]

i for one would much rather clean mr.siminov when he doesn't need it then have to clean an ar because it does need it, and from what i've seen the accuracy issue doesn't really matter in real combat as people tend to not aim and more or less shoot over there shoulder.

[target]

Usually takes me about 30 minutes to clean my upper. The bore, bolt group, etc. It really isn't that bad, the only part that is harder to clean is around the breach since you cant get your fingers in there. But from what I've seen after running a couple hundred without cleaning is not much crap really accumulates there anyway.

The AK is a great rifle, but the Ar 15 is also a great rifle... just different philosophies went into the design and it shows. Today with all the alterations and work thats been put into them, they are both accurate and reliable rifles. Either would really be a good choice in this day and age.