Atomic Bomb
Atomic Bomb
The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
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Met General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
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Re: Atomic Bomb
My Uncle Charlie was one of the poor ground pounders slated to attack the Japanese home islands. He had been island hopping for some time already and was familiar with the Japanese fighting tactics. He was very grateful to be able to put that fun job off and go home, and spend the next 40 years trying to forget the war. Had you asked him, and the guys in his platoon in 1945 the answer would have been bomb the shit out of them, five, ten, twenty, whatever it took.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Re: Atomic Bomb
ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
Besides meeting him and several of his crew I also met Chuck Yeager. Both soft spoken down to earth and fascinating to listen to. Another less know fact was that the British might have dropped the bomb from a Lancaster. The B-29 had two bomb bays because the main wing spare ran through the bomb bays. They had to re-engineer the bomb bay to make one large bay. They were having difficulties. These specially designed B-29s were called Silverplate B-29s and only 12 were built.
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Forgot to mention his grandson Brigadier General Paul Tibbets Jr. commanded our B-2 bomber force.ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
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Cool! I've met some great WWII veterans.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:07 pmForgot to mention his grandson Brigadier General Paul Tibbets Jr. commanded our B-2 bomber force.ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
Somewhere around here I have a CD full of pictures of the then surviving Doolittle Raiders and B-25s at Eglin Auxiliary Field 3 (Duke Field) Florida.
Mike
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Re: Atomic Bomb
We also have a video from a Navy Vet we met in Hawaii about 10 years ago. His name was Sam Dawson. He is now with our Lord and his beautiful wife in heaven. In the video you can see him on the USS Missouri when the Japanese came aboard to sign the surrender documents. He served on her from her date of commission until January 1946.ffuries wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:24 pmCool! I've met some great WWII veterans.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:07 pmForgot to mention his grandson Brigadier General Paul Tibbets Jr. commanded our B-2 bomber force.ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
Somewhere around here I have a CD full of pictures of the then surviving Doolittle Raiders and B-25s at Eglin Auxiliary Field 3 (Duke Field) Florida.
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Holy shit that is awesome. This is the type of stuff that needs to be digitized so it can be preserved.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:04 pmWe also have a video from a Navy Vet we met in Hawaii about 10 years ago. His name was Sam Dawson. He is now with our Lord and his beautiful wife in heaven. In the video you can see him on the USS Missouri when the Japanese came aboard to sign the surrender documents. He served on her from her date of commission until January 1946.ffuries wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:24 pmCool! I've met some great WWII veterans.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:07 pmForgot to mention his grandson Brigadier General Paul Tibbets Jr. commanded our B-2 bomber force.ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
Somewhere around here I have a CD full of pictures of the then surviving Doolittle Raiders and B-25s at Eglin Auxiliary Field 3 (Duke Field) Florida.
Mike
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Jan 86 - Sept 08
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Re: Atomic Bomb
ffuries wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:24 pmHoly shit that is awesome. This is the type of stuff that needs to be digitized so it can be preserved.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:04 pmWe also have a video from a Navy Vet we met in Hawaii about 10 years ago. His name was Sam Dawson. He is now with our Lord and his beautiful wife in heaven. In the video you can see him on the USS Missouri when the Japanese came aboard to sign the surrender documents. He served on her from her date of commission until January 1946.ffuries wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:24 pmCool! I've met some great WWII veterans.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 18, 2020 2:07 pmForgot to mention his grandson Brigadier General Paul Tibbets Jr. commanded our B-2 bomber force.ffuries wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:07 pmMet General Tibbets when I was a teenager, even then I was in awe listening to him speak. He was down to Earth, not a braggert, he felt he did his duty and nothing more. In death he chose to be cremated and his ashes spread over the English Channel so that his grave would not be a place for Anti-Nuke protests.Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm The 15th Of August is when the Japanese agreed to surrender terms with the Allies. Had this not happened August 19th would have been the date of the dropping of the third A Bomb on Japan. I had the privilege to meet and speak with General Paul Tibbets on the 50th anniversary of the bombing of Hiroshima. He actually believed that 5 A Bombs would be necessary and General Curtis LeMay thought 4.
I don't care if you are Pro or Anti Nuke, imagine the number of dead if we had to invade the Japanese Mainland. There are some estimates that are pretty high, the highest being......
"Personnel at the Navy Department estimated that the total losses to America would be between 1.7 and 4 million with 400,000 to 800,000 deaths. The same department estimated that there would be up to 10 million Japanese casualties. The ‘Los Angeles Times’ estimated that America would suffer up to 1 million casualties."
There were some far lower estimates, but regardless it would have been high on both sides. The dropping of the bombs brought the war to an end sooner, and while lives were lost, it was less than the lowest estimates for Japanese casualties had we invaded.
I pray we are never put into a situation where we are forced to make that decision again.
Somewhere around here I have a CD full of pictures of the then surviving Doolittle Raiders and B-25s at Eglin Auxiliary Field 3 (Duke Field) Florida.
We did have it digitized and sent a copy to the National WWll museum in New Orleans. Also sent a ton of pictures and other items from my father-in-law. He was made military governor of a part of Germany where the VW plant is. When the Germans fled the took all the slave laborers put them in wooden barracks and burned all alive. Lots of very gory pictures.
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Rowdy1 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 19, 2020 6:48 am
We did have it digitized and sent a copy to the National WWll museum in New Orleans. Also sent a ton of pictures and other items from my father-in-law. He was made military governor of a part of Germany where the VW plant is. When the Germans fled the took all the slave laborers put them in wooden barracks and burned all alive. Lots of very gory pictures.
There was some ugly stuff that happened. One of my dad's uncle's was in Army Intel in the ETO, when he came back, he was a changed man. We were told when we were kids, and reminded as adults, not to ask of his military service. He saw stuff that he had a hard time dealing with, he left that man (His old self) in Europe, he never spoke of his service and took what he saw to his grave.
Mike
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