A few of us here are going to Camp Perry later in the year or next year shooting military bolt matches so that means a lot of major practice in the following months ahead. One of the things to do practicing off hand shooting is using a 22 with open sights preferably a military trainer rifle. I probably own 20 or more different 22 rifles and it didn't hit me until now that none of them are bolt rifles....
I'm looking at maybe buying a CZ 455 rifle but for now I'm using a friends Romanian training rifle that belongs to a co worker.
Anyone else see anything out there on the market ? Thanks
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
The Romanian trainer comes immediately to mind. Usually available for uner $200.00. The Chinese JW-15 is an outstanding rifle and it will not break the bank. The JW-15 that I own is a tack driver, the squirrels in my neighborhood have a standing reward for the destruction of that rifle.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
I never bought a new .22 rifle in my life, I don't know how many I have, a lot, most are bolt rifles, some with tube mag, others clip or single shot. Marlin, Stevens, JC Higgins, Remington, and so on. I shoot .22 more than any other caliber, and a bolt rifle makes you take your time on the shots no matter how cheap the ammo may have been. Local gun shop should have a whole rack full of used .22's. A .22 may be ruined by abuse, but I never saw one ruined from regular use. Check them out before you start buying new.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
Mossberg 42/44 series. It's what our boys trained with.
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Oh yea, forgot that one, found it at a flea market ten years back.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
Any of the Marlin bolt actions would fit the bill as well. I used to shoot prone matches with this H&R 5200, but it would be a bit much for standing. It weighs about 15 lbs.
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I just finished searching for a Polish trainer rifle and the days of sub $200 for those appear to be long gone. I have a Marlin YN-15 bolt action "lil buckaroo" that is amazingly accurate that I purchased for the grandkids to learn on, it quickly became my go-to rifle for potting tree rats.
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I have one of those Cricket rifles in little girl pink. It is deadly on starlings with Colibri rounds.mogunner wrote:I just finished searching for a Polish trainer rifle and the days of sub $200 for those appear to be long gone. I have a Marlin YN-15 bolt action "lil buckaroo" that is amazingly accurate that I purchased for the grandkids to learn on, it quickly became my go-to rifle for potting tree rats.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, English novelist, essayist, and critic, 1903-1950
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
I have a Mauser ES340b which has an exceptional 2-stage trigger and very nice iron sights. Couldn't go wrong with one of those. I paid $350 for mine.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
I fot a Romanian trainer 6 weeks ago that has me wanting to start going to Saturday turkey shoots again.
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$350 was a deal. I have seen them asking $700+.ksbanker wrote:I have a Mauser ES340b which has an exceptional 2-stage trigger and very nice iron sights. Couldn't go wrong with one of those. I paid $350 for mine.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, English novelist, essayist, and critic, 1903-1950
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I realized that after I bought it! I didn't know a thing about them when I purchased it. Now, it would be one of the very last I'd be willing to part with. It was a WW2 bring back. Under the butt plate was a note addressed to Pam Jones, Washington, Kansas.millman wrote:$350 was a deal. I have seen them asking $700+.ksbanker wrote:I have a Mauser ES340b which has an exceptional 2-stage trigger and very nice iron sights. Couldn't go wrong with one of those. I paid $350 for mine.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
I am gonna flout the live auction rule, because I don't think anyone else is looking for one of these. This would be outstanding for matches. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/754047236
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Re: 22 bolt rifles
Millman, that one's so accurate you don't even need sights.
I'm going to the range early this morning to try out the CZ and a Romanian trainer, both belong to good friends but I want something of my own. I have several of the chipmunk, cricket types but need something a little heavier. Gunsmith friend who's getting this little gang together for this trip said shoot about 50 yards using a 22 just for beginner practice. A couple years back I spent a lot of time off hand training using my Swede M96/38 and was pretty good out to 100 yards. Now they're talking 200 yards off hand, hell I'm not sure I can even see that far or not yet.
Stopped by a local sporting goods pawn shop yesterday and they had 2 used and abused Savage rifles just under $200.oo each I've pretty much given up on pawn shops around here, kind of like going to a estate auction where you can go buy new cheaper.
I'm going to the range early this morning to try out the CZ and a Romanian trainer, both belong to good friends but I want something of my own. I have several of the chipmunk, cricket types but need something a little heavier. Gunsmith friend who's getting this little gang together for this trip said shoot about 50 yards using a 22 just for beginner practice. A couple years back I spent a lot of time off hand training using my Swede M96/38 and was pretty good out to 100 yards. Now they're talking 200 yards off hand, hell I'm not sure I can even see that far or not yet.
Stopped by a local sporting goods pawn shop yesterday and they had 2 used and abused Savage rifles just under $200.oo each I've pretty much given up on pawn shops around here, kind of like going to a estate auction where you can go buy new cheaper.
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Re: 22 bolt rifles
I was out shooting this Mossberg 44US the other day. It is a heck of a shooter and amazes me at its accuracy. They seem to be pricey but we'll worth considering if you get lucky you can find one for 300-400.00. If I was looking at new ones I would not look any further than a fine CZ like you mentioned. As a matter of fact you should just do it. They are awesome rifles.
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I've got a CZ 452 Military Trainer & it holds its own against most .22's two to three times the cost of it. It was the precursor to the 455MT & a lot of guys swear that it's a more accurate rifle. I think there are a few new ones still out there if you search hard enough & you should be able to get it for under $400 new. I absolutely love mine and my only gripe is that it's just too light for me. I shoot mostly off of a bench & I always have to shoot it first when I hit the range before moving on to my Weihrauch & Izhmash CM-2's. After trying a ton of different ammo in it I finally settled on Geco .22lr semi auto ammo. Yeah it shoots a few of the Lapua flavors a bit better but it doesn't justify the massive cost difference between them & the Geco. Best of luck.
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Shot both over the weekend, the Romanian first and I found the trigger to have a lot of travel before going off although it's very accurate. then I loaded the CZ and no kidding the gun went off while I was aiming because I didn't expect a trigger that light on a 22 rifle. I've got several high priced Timney triggers that don't feel that good. Yes it is first class in my opinion.bunkysdad wrote:I was out shooting this Mossberg 44US the other day. It is a heck of a shooter and amazes me at its accuracy. They seem to be pricey but we'll worth considering if you get lucky you can find one for 300-400.00. If I was looking at new ones I would not look any further than a fine CZ like you mentioned. As a matter of fact you should just do it. They are awesome rifles.