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SAMMO wrote:Not mad, not upset, very surprised that no one knows anything about the Rifle. I came here because I figured you were experts and collectors and would know. I will search elsewhere and can tell you that I would like the thread deleted simply because it serves no purpose. Thank you
It's kinda hard to tell more than what others have already mentioned with the photos you provided. They're all too zoomed in on just a few features while leaving out some of the more important ones that "could" answer some of your questions. How about some photos of the whole rifle, left side & right. Also, the serial numbers from the bolt, magazine floor plate and the butt plate. You say it looks like a capture with no mods but without seeing whether the serial numbers & fonts match on all the parts, it's hard to say whether it's been refurbished etc. The stock could very well be original to the rifle as it's date stamped for 39 as well and is also from the Tula arsenal. You could check the smaller pieces and see if they are all stamped with the small Tula star or whether any of them might have been replaced during a light refurb from the Finns. If all that parts are Tula and the serial numbers all match, it would be a very nice rifle to have. Ok, it's a nice rifle either way but seeing all original part rifles from Finland isn't terribly common.
As others have said, it's a 1939 Tula m91/30. It was originally built by the Russians and somehow made it's way to Finland, where it acquired the [SA] stamp some time around 1942. How it got to Finland is any ones guess. Could have been captured during either the Winter War or the Continuation War or it might have been sold or given to the Finns from their German allies during WWII. It's possible that information might be available in the Finnish archives but it's not readily available to most of us. Even then, specific serial numbers for captured weapons like this? I haven't seen those records popping up anywhere.
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Thank you so much! The small parts are all matching except the floorplate assembly which is different. The butt plate is restamped with the original serial number and marked through. I will take a couple of pics of the entire rifle and yes it is a keeper and shoots well. I know it is not a different barrel and has a solid one piece stock with no in letting for a Finn barrel. I think they just called it good and put it in the where ever and it has come along this far. I did 17 years on SRT precision and these old rifles are a natural delight for me to shoot since my eyes like the longer sight radius. I like the long pull of the trigger and milk it like a Glock or revolver (stage it) to a surprise release. Will be reloading some for all three of my Mosins as soon as my powder comes in and will be hunting with them instead of my other rifles for the pure enjoyment. I have recently been studying the invasion of the Germans into Russia and the various campaigns and intend to study some of the sniper bios soon so there is some intrigue with the Rifle as there is with most all of the old rifles with heart.
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I have found that a little patience goes a long way. Not everyone sees a post or is able to respond right away.
That being said, nice rifle. 39 is a fairly common year for Finn-acquired 91/30s but each is unique in their own way.
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SAMMO wrote:Good bore and clean inspected chamber. I shot three rounds in my 41 brass cases and they will not lock in my 39 chamber but my 39's will lock in the 41.
If I am understanding you correctly you may have headspace issues, have you checked the headspace?
Are you trying to chamber fired cases? What about the headspace? What they said, '39 Tula Finn capture, probably original non refurb except what the Finn's did. The finish, the hangers.
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Google Continuation War and Winter War, then understand that when the Soviets invaded Finland, the Finns fought back and fought back hard, took large losses for a small nation, but then so did the Soviets, as a result of the fighting the Finns were able to acquire/capture tens of thousands of rifles, of those rifles were 91-30s, such as your rifle.
From the pics provided, it appears your rifle is all Soviet. Many SA/Finn captured 91-30s are mismatched, meaning the serialized parts do not have matching numbers, this is common. A few special rifles have all matching numbers and this is rare and when such a rifle is found, collectors usually do not mind paying big $$ to obtain such a rare example. It seems as a general rule that many Finn rifles have a matching bolt and barrel serial numbers, the rest of the parts they seemed to not care much if they matched just as long as they functioned.
Pahtu.
I do not always fire a rifle, but when I do....it is a Mosin I choose.....
I am impatient and sometimes wish I was not but I have PTSD AND GAD, 31 years in a unit and some bad junk but yes, I sometimes have to settle down a dab and like today had to yell at my Jack Russell for chasing a Cat and then I had to climb the tree and get out the Cat. I bailiff some but am retired and love to shoot mosins, the long one's and like they come and want more and hunt and kill stuff with them.
No, I am appreciative of the info and of the kindness shown me here, thankyou.
went out to the shop and center drilled a brass key, tapped 8-32 and threaded it. Measured a rim on the face and marked it with dykem and spun in the lathe and made 72 thousand no go.All three of my rifles will not close and one is a tad tighter than the others. At least I know I am within 5 thousands. Will make another go gauge next few days. Thank you
