Swedish Ljungman AG42B question

[capt14k]

In a previous thread I mentioned I regretted selling most of the firearms I sold. My Ljungman was one of my biggest regrets At the time I was going to buy an SVT-38. The SVT-38 turned out to not be what I thought it was, and now I have decided I want another AG42B. I found one on another forum kind of by accident. Meaning it wasn't listed in the for sale section. The seller wants $1,000 and it so far from the pics it looks to be in good shape, but the electro penciled number on the bolt carrier is not matching to the stamped number on the receiver. I haven't seen a whole bunch of AG42Bs, maybe 15-20, but this is the first one I have seen not matching. I thought these were all refurbished and re-numbered before being exported. My question is how common is it for the numbers not to match and does it detract as much from the value as any other non matching Milsurp would?

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[Junk Yard Dog]

Mine matches, it's not a refurb, just a well preserved original. It's a pre 68 import, I don't know what they did with them in later batches.

[capt14k]

Mine matches, it's not a refurb, just a well preserved original. It's a pre 68 import, I don't know what they did with them in later batches.

So yours would be an original AG42 correct not a AG42B?

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[Junk Yard Dog]

No, it has the B upgrades but no refurbishment prior to leaving Swedish service

[capt14k]

I admittedly don't know a whole lot about the Ljungman. I always thought they were all Arsenal refurbed because they are usually in such nice condition and have the matching electro penciled number. Was the electro pencil done prior to B upgrade or did they all get electro pencil at B upgrade? What exactly is B upgrade? Why do so many look so good if not all were Arsenal Refurbished?

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[Junk Yard Dog]

Sweden did not participate in any wars with these rifles except for a very limited number that saw use with Swedish volunteers for Finland. These rifles have seen military maneuvers inside Sweden and marksmanship training. The upgrade was to the gas system, the addition of stainless steel to cut back on serious corrosion problems. The design was short lived and ended up seeing far more extensive use in a modified form with Egyptian and later UAR forces during the 1950's and 1960's. Sweden sold the factory to Egypt and trained the workers to build the 8mm Hakim rifle, a modified Ljungman design, they later incorporated some of the design into the Rasheed, a smaller 7.62x39 rifle. The Hakim is a more robust design, fires a more powerful 8mm Mauser cartridge, but is very sensitive to variations in gas pressure so adjusting the gas system is a must. Ep numbers are not uncommon after the 1940's, a quick and easy way to number things, even the Soviets did it with the later Mosin rebuilds.

[capt14k]

Thank you for the clarification. I have a Hakim and it looks so lonely without its Ljungman cousin. For $1,000 + shipping though I think I would be better off holding out for another matching one.

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[Junk Yard Dog]

The AG is one of firearms history's oddball offshoots like it's cousin the SVT40, nice to have but there is a limit to what I would pay for one. Unlike the SVT, or the Hakim the AG has very limited history attached to it, no battles, no wars, a G is more that I would go, it was under $200 when I bought it years back. The Hakim is easier to find ammo for, I have a couple of them and put thousands of rounds through them back when ammo was cheap, the AG I had out once or twice at most. The Hakim did it's best with Egyptian 8mm, I had a lot of it at one time.

[capt14k]

I have yet to take my Hakim to the range, but you have inspired me to do so. When I bought mine I got a few hundred rounds of the Egyptian ammo. The Ljungman I did take to the range a couple times. It was a great shooter, but part of the reason I sold it was I don't have any Swedish Mausers, so it was another type of ammo to keep in stock. I bought the first one on a whim and I'm sure another will come along.

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[Junk Yard Dog]

Get the gas regulator wrench, soak the nut with lots of penetrating oil and loosen it, then follow the normal procedures for dialing it in to work with the ammo you are using, never assume a Hakim is already regulated for any ammo, even Egyptian. Failure to do so will result in the bolt battering itself to death and damaging the rifle.

[capt14k]

Thank you for the heads up.

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[bunkysdad]

When you get ready to shoot your Hakim I hope you have your best hearing protection!

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[CalFed]

My youngest son and I shoot in a semi-monthly vintage surplus semi-auto military silhouette match. The match is 40 rounds at chickens (220 yards), pigs (330) turkeys (420) and rams (550 yards). We generally use our Ljungmans and he usually cleans up with his. I usually place. Our main competitors shoot Garands.