M1 Garand people come in have a gripe...

[redhat10]

Okay, now that I caught up on this one..see some very famillar names listed here with comments...about their fetishes with garands..I collected a few nice ones too, before i switched over to the mosin wagon....It is a lot easier on the pocket book ..Ha..Collecting anything is expensive...

[SA1911a1]

"HE" is a collector......a Garand collector. This is what they do. But mostly they are shooters that want a nice looking rifle.


For "US", we are Mosin ore surplus collectors. The bumps are what makes the rifle.

I have a Charleville 1763 Musket. Is it more "collectable" with the original stock on it, or perhaps a "new" replacement stock made today? You tell me which is more collectable and more valuable? Easy question when asked like that. However, in the Garand world, it may not be the same.

Each collectors "worlds" are different. Look at model A's as a collectable. It is permissable to "restore" one if it is in bad shape. But it will be worth less then one that has not been touched and in excellent condition. So in this world (Model A's), they have a different standard then we do here. Before you touch anything, just get to know it and it values, both restored and original.

I saw a "road show" program on TV the other day. The guy had a beat up old wooden chair and the original upholstery was crap. The guy said it was worth something like $25,000! Said if he has replaced the upholstery, it would drop about $$8,000. Me, I looked at it and though, I'd have tossed it into the fire...it looked that bad............. But that is what they want to see!

So, who knows. Just know what you have before you start on it!!

The issue with chairs like that is that someone very important may have farted into that upholstery, to replace the fabric would be an abomination.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Okay, now that I caught up on this one..see some very famillar names listed here with comments...about their fetishes with garands..I collected a few nice ones too, before i switched over to the mosin wagon....It is a lot easier on the pocket book ..Ha..Collecting anything is expensive...

Nope, you can collect rocks for free, just walk outside and start scanning the edge of the lawn or parking lot, you are sure to find rocks that are there for the picking up. Most other collecting hobbys will cost you something.

[MeatMarket]

And for rat hunting.
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I have a Mosin rat hunting story.

What did that taste like?

Didn't eat it. I found it snoozing behind my laundry appliances so I skewered it with a Mosin spike and disposed of it. It really was the only practical way of getting to it without scaring it off.

[millman]

Given your record of, what I would consider exotic dining, I figured you might have dressed it and cooked it.

[redhat10]

Okay, now that I caught up on this one..see some very famillar names listed here with comments...about their fetishes with garands..I collected a few nice ones too, before i switched over to the mosin wagon....It is a lot easier on the pocket book ..Ha..Collecting anything is expensive...

Nope, you can collect rocks for free, just walk outside and start scanning the edge of the lawn or parking lot, you are sure to find rocks that are there for the picking up. Most other collecting hobbys will cost you something.

ha JYD, you are Correct, I get free rocks everytime I till or plow up my garden..Sorry but did not think of that angle..Unless you Actually drive up into the mountains to seek out certain types of precious 'Rocks" ??

[Junk Yard Dog]

I especially like the rocks that have thick veins of gold in them, they are the best kind to find .

[Longcolt44]

Given your record of, what I would consider exotic dining, I figured you might have dressed it and cooked it.

He cooked me the best venison backstrap dinner I have ever had when I went to Georgia a couple years ago. Although I didn't see any antlers around, he said it was fresh venison.

[Screwball]

Don't label all of them like that...







I wanted a nice looking shooter... so I didn't pass up on a commercial Lithgow receiver. Actually a similar batch as those remade Springfield Armory INC rifles a few years back. Send it to Shuff, and have a nice looking tack-driver... helped with the Danish VAR barrel (using the barrel gauges, it is pretty much new) that Century Arms decided to put in it.

If it was a USGI rifle, it would be just like my Nagant revolver, PU sniper, Yugo Tokarev, M48A, and M59/66A1... durakoted and sawed up! [emoji23]








I'm on Tapatalk, so hopefully this is low enough so the "I'm kidding" isn't visible when you read that post. [emoji6] Those firearms are all exactly how I how I got them out of the Cosmoline.

Besides, not a fan of the kote finishes.

[Junk Yard Dog]

You have some kind of black crud on the handle of your weapons op rod.

[Screwball]

You have some kind of black crud on the handle of your weapons op rod.

Third picture?

Rubber cover to protect it from marking up another rifle in the safe.

[MeatMarket]

Given your record of, what I would consider exotic dining, I figured you might have dressed it and cooked it.

He cooked me the best venison backstrap dinner I have ever had when I went to Georgia a couple years ago. Although I didn't see any antlers around, he said it was fresh venison.

Drop me a line if you come out this way again, I've improved on my venison backstrap method. Unless I'm out, then I might serve rat haha.

[mproko]

So when we see an "all original and correct" how can we tell that some guy just didn't spend more time finding all the correct parts? I'm assuming we can't.

[Junk Yard Dog]

I saw endless guys doing just that sort of thing back in the 90's , pouring over piles of M1 parts at the shows looking for "matching" parts to this or that receiver number. If you inherited it from Dad, or some other close relative who acquired it back in the 60's or brought it home then you can be sure it's as it was when last in US service. Provided you know they didn't "match" parts of course.

[awalker1829]

I saw endless guys doing just that sort of thing back in the 90's , pouring over piles of M1 parts at the shows looking for "matching" parts to this or that receiver number. If you inherited it from Dad, or some other close relative who acquired it back in the 60's or brought it home then you can be sure it's as it was when last in US service. Provided you know they didn't "match" parts of course.

Yep. Consider it "matching" if all of the parts were manufactured by the same armory/contractor. So far as I can tell, mine has all SA parts.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Depends on who the manufacturer was, Winchester and SA of course managed to make the entire rifle. Winchester had some teething problems but they got their shit together however I was told that some SA parts were provided early on. The worst offender was IHC, being a truck manufacturer with no firearms manufacturing experience they had many startup problems and H&R had to step in with some parts help. H&R bolts in a IHC would be correct as are Line Materials barrels and so on. SA rifles were SA built as you would expect from the originator of the design, Winchester, H&R and sometimes IHC parts found their way onto SA built rifles during rebuilds as the rifles were in service, this is normal. Parts mixing also happened in the field, when the boys cleaned their weapons in some appropriated German house between attacks it was a table full of parts and sometimes you got your buddys trigger group, or he got your op rod spring, whatever. Variation in spec was not a hallmark of US service rifle production, the arsenal kept tight quality control, and insisted on it from their contractors as well. I once swapped bolts around in my nine Garands and checked headspace, they all passed no matter what bolt I used. This is not to say that all Garands or US arms will do that, my rifles are in good condition, others may have more wear. That tight adherence to quality control allowed for GI Joe to get away with bolt swapping should it happen, this was not encouraged, but under combat conditions it did happen. No combatant matched the quality of US arms during the war, it helped that Massachusetts was not carpet bombed by the Germans or Japanese. Springfield strove to make it so that you didn't need to test 20 rifles to find the one or two that were more accurate than all the others, they wanted it so that any rifle you took out of the crate would shoot as excellently as any other In there. This is a level of performance the Soviets never matched before, during, or after the war, welcome to the first world economy.

[mproko]

I saw endless guys doing just that sort of thing back in the 90's , pouring over piles of M1 parts at the shows looking for "matching" parts to this or that receiver number. If you inherited it from Dad, or some other close relative who acquired it back in the 60's or brought it home then you can be sure it's as it was when last in US service. Provided you know they didn't "match" parts of course.

I've been waiting for the right one to come along. My range buddy up here has a couple so at least I get to practice with those. From all of this it confirms for my uses its not worth looking for a rifle with all matching parts...just have to wait for one to speak to me.

[Junk Yard Dog]

No, you need to break away from that matching parts European rifle mindset when dealing with US service rifles. Uncle couldn't have cared less who's name or number was on the weapons parts so long as it was in spec, GI Joe didn't care either.

[RazorBurn]

In the Garand a lot of the parts with have "drawing numbers" on them, and by those numbers you can get an idea of what years they were used. If you find a Garand that has period correct drawing numbers you can pretty much bet that someone has taken the time and energy to put the correct parts in it. When they went through rearsenal the armorers didn't care what parts (Winchester, SA, IHC or HRA) they put in them, just as long as they were in spec and good. Most USGI rifles are mixmasters because the armorer took the next part out of the parts bin and used it. When I see a corrected rifle I can not appreciate the increase in price that they want for it as that is not how it would have left the arsenal.

[mproko]

Amen with the price. Only thing concerning to me now is that I want a ww2 receiver when I find the right one for no particular reason other than I just do.