1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Well, here is the new family member. She is still in cosmo, and needs a bath but wow does she look like she has some stories to tell. :big shock:
Every part that I have seen so far is Tula marked including barrel bands and retaining springs as well as every bolt component. It has
an odd shorter cleaning rod, but I think this girl has some real history to her.

Anything unique/special about it I might be missing? Image

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1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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:vcool: :vcool: :vcool: They all have storys, some more than others.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Interesting. Seems to have retained the Tula bolt. Be interested to know if the internals are Tula as well. Something funny about the barrel. Maybe it's my eyes or the perception from the small (could be original short M-91 rod) cleaning rod. Seems a little long for the stock or the stock a little short for the rifle. :facepalm1:

Nice rifle though - lots of history in that one :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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The barrel is normal, I think it's just the shorter cleaning rod. It's definitely not your normal refurb 91/30 rod. Looks like the knurling is different.

1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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And you got an original marked sling with it!? Where is the "green with envy" emoticon? :mrgreen:

Nice score all the way around! :thumbsup:
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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:thumbsup: That's going to clean up really nice. Heck, even with all of that grease on it she's still a gorgeous rifle! Does the serial number on the bolt body match as well? I saw they stamped the last three on the ball but couldn't see the bolt body. Very nice addition to the collection! :vcool:
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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No numbers on the bolt other than the last 3 digits on the handle. Is that what's called Finn matched? Could the bolt be original still with the numbers ground off and restamped on the handle?

1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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That's one way they did it. Most of the time they would scrub the old number and restamp a new one over the old one. Some times they just crossed it out and restamped the barrel s/n. Most of the M-39's had the last three stamped on the knob, sometimes last four. I think anything is possible. It probably comes down to where individual rifles were refurbished by the Finns. There is a good chance that this is the original bolt that was scrubbed and the bolt knob stamped per their procedure at that particular facility. Problem is, like with many, that you can't absolutely prove it. But if the bolt parts are all Tula (Tula star) which is what I see, it is likely the original. Actually, the only non Tula stuff I see are the rear barrel band spring. I believe the rear is Imperial Izhevsk but my eyes could be failing me. Looks like the original Russian stock. Is there a 1940 date under the cartouche? If so, there is a good chance that this is the original stock as well.

This is a pretty nice find. It reminds me of a Finn Dragoon I recently purchased with the only changes made by the Finns was the "SA" and "D" stamps on the shank and Izhevsk Dragoon barrel bands. The bolt was a replacement with all Izhevsk parts with a scrubbed and restamped s/n. The trigger guard and associated parts were a replacement as well. Will never know if that was done by the Russians or the Finns. Had the original butt plate though. As with yours, it appeared they needed to get these rifles out quickly.

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Looks like the Finns didn't do too much on that one. I really like the sling :Drool1: How about a pitcher of the hole rifle :D (profile) It's always good to see what all the close up pics look like in one shot.
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qz2026 wrote:Actually, the only non Tula stuff I see are the rear barrel band spring. I believe the rear is Imperial Izhevsk but my eyes could be failing me.
:vcool: :vcool:
Rear barrel band spring is Tula also.

Will post a full length pic later. The sling has 2 SA stamps on it, one is more lightly struck above the main one.

1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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That is really a nice find, and even nicer leather oval buckle SA sling. You did good.
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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quite the piece of work there!!
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Hard to tell from the pic but the trigger has a star on it also

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1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Very nice! These rifles are the best bang for the buck when looking for "original" or close to it, rifles. Jealous of this one!
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1909 Ex-Cossack M91/38
1929 SIG M28 non updated
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Uncovered a few more stars...
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1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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redspoon wrote:Looks like the Finns didn't do too much on that one. I really like the sling :Drool1: How about a pitcher of the hole rifle :D (profile) It's always good to see what all the close up pics look like in one shot.
Full length pics after she has been all cleaned up

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1942 VKT M39 [1905]
1944 Tikka 91/30 [1915]
1940 Tikka M91 [1897]
1940 Tula [SA] 91/30
1935 Tula 91/30
1937 Tula 91/30
1928 5 line ex-Dragoon
1939 Izhevsk 91/30
1942 Izhevsk 91/30
1944 Izhevsk M44
Eddystone M1917 Enfield
1943 Shirley Enfield No 4 MK 1
1939 ERMA K98k
1944 Swiss K-31
1939 M1895 Nagant
CZ82

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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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Beautiful, I love the worn/used look :vcool:
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Re: 1940 Tula Finn capture 91/30

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That is quiet a nice rifle you got there. I got a 1940 Izhevsk SA that one was destined to sit next to in my rack ;mywink;
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