WWI Austrian Capture

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WWI Austrian Capture

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In the early battles of WWI, such as Tannenberg and the First Battle of Masurian Lakes, tens of thousands of Russian arms were captured by the Germans. And even though Russia soundly defeated Austria-Hungary in the Battle of Galicia, forty thousand of their troops were still taken capture. Among the arms which were surrendered to the Central Powers at these and subsequent early battles in 1914 and 1915 were the main fighting rifles of Russia, the Mosin Nagant Model of 1891.

With the massive mobilization of resources needed to keep the German and Austro-Hungarian front lines supplied, it was recognized that there would be a deficit of arms. So after being inspected and/or repaired at several possible arsenal and depot facilities, the captured Russian M91 rifles were issued to second line and support units, thus freeing up main rifles for the first line troops.

A small percentage were converted to 8X57 Mauser or the rimmed 8X50 Austrian cartridge, but most were reissued with the original 7.62X54R caliber, as captured Russian ammunition was also plentiful.

Following the war, the majority of these rifles were sold off to countries such as Finland, who refurbished them and/or parted them out. Thus, only a small percentage of captured M91 rifles can be found today in the same configuration in which they were issued to Central Power troops in The Great War. Below is such an example.

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This 1905 Tula M91 appears to have remained intact following its Hungarian and Austrian depot/arsenal rework, and shows no obvious evidence of ownership beyond its role in The Great War. The gun has no import marks, and still has crisp stamps and cartouches, nearly 100 years later. The stock is from another gun, apparently a 1907 Izhevsk with a crossbolt but without sling slots, and has wooden plugged holes from a previous wire sling swivel application. Whether these plugged holes were once from a Russian or earlier Austro-Hungarian bent-wire loop application is unknown. Subsequently, it has been refitted with Austrian style sling attachment hardware.

A W-cartouche appears on the top heel of the stock. Many times the letter-A will appear on the left side buttstock, which would indicate conversion to the Austrian 8X50mm. Some will also have a letter-M on the right side. But this example does not have the A and M cartouches.

The front swivel is a U-shaped wire with eyelets, and is held with a bolt which passes through a hole drilled in the fore stock. The rear swivel is a wire loop which is fitted into a steel block on a post which is screwed into the forward toe of the stock. This configuration would accept the standard issue Austrian sling.

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The R-Stamp on the barrel shows that it once passed through inspection at the arsenal in Budapest, Hungary. The Z which is partially stamped over the R on the barrel may be an incomplete AZF-stamp (Artillerie Zeugs Fabrik in Vienna). A complete AZF-stamp is present on the top receiver flat. The 9-stamp seen on the barrel is also found on other Austrian guns, but the meaning is unknown.

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Next, is the number on the rear face of the buttplate. It doesn't follow typical unit marking schemes, but it is obvious from the open-topped 4 that it isn't an Imperial Russian font. The buttplate is from the Izhevsk Arsenal.

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The bolt body is also Izhevsk, and is not matched to the barrel serial number. It does have the cool looking series of letters, which do not appear to be Cyrillic, along the handle rib. Possibly looks to be Greek? The letters lambda, theta and omega do appear to be distinct.

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Note that the top rear of the sight base under the leaf has a K-stamp, which is indicative of possible inspection at the Steyr Arsenal. The sides of the sight base have not been altered, and are still stamped with the Russian Arshini increments. If it had been rechambered, it would be marked in Austrian Shritt increments of 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6.

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Lastly, the cleaning rod head has a curious groove around its circumference. Perhaps just an error with the lathe bit before final knurling?

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Some related reading:

http://mosinnagant.net/global%20mosin%2 ... gants1.asp

http://mosinnagant.net/USSR/Mosin-Nagan ... on-M91.asp

http://www.sunblest.net/gun/Markings.htm




A few more pics folks, enjoy and thanks for looking!


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Very, very nice! :thumbsup:
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Excellent rifle and presentation :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Wow thats a great one. I like how you can still see rasp marks on the bottom of the stock near the swivel.
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Very nice :vcool: :vcool: Great info :vcool: :vcool: :BBQ:
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Beautiful. Beautiful.
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What a fantastic Mosin! It's hard to imagine how the markings survived all these years and remain so crisp. Truly a great find. It never ceases to amaze me the quality of milsurps that show up on this board. :vcool: :vcool: :thumbsup: :Drool1: :thumbsup:
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Most definitely showcase material.
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Another fantastic example Matt. Thanks for posting it. That is the first time I have seen the R stamp and the Z + 9 stamp.
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Martin's most excellent post prompted me to recheck one of mine. I thought it just was a partial Z stamp on the barrel shank but it is the same Z9 - and I thought the 9 was a partial y. Mine has been Finned though, and is in a Westinghouse stock.
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Thanks for posting, Neal. Yours and one other are the only M91's which I can locate with the mysterious Z+9 stamp. And since one of the worlds the most studied scholars of WWI weapons, John P. Sheehan (JPS of Gunboards), cannot identify the stamp, we will likely only be able contemplate its significance for the time being. JPS has suggested a possible workshop which was used as an outsource to one of the larger depot facilities.

Without much pictorial evidence, I predicated my assumption that the Z+9 could be part of an incomplete AZF stamp, and based mostly on some other photo angles of your Sestroryetsk, where it appears that a partial letter A might be observed in front of the Z.

But again, until more research/data can be compiled, there is only speculation.
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Magnificent! What a lovely Mosin with fantastic history! You are quite a good writer. Thank you! :clap: :toast:
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Nice rifle :Drool1: :Drool1: :Drool1: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Looks like part of the A also on Neals. I wonder if it was the AZF that wasn't rolled on the shank and they just got the Z in the middle and didn't care if the a and f got on there. AZF 9 ? :vcool:
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Very nice rifle and a great explanations of its history. A perfect rifle to be shown in the showcase.
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Got my vote for showcase,great info as always.
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Exceptionally Nice.
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Very cool! Excellent presentation. :thumbsup:
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Thank you for sharing this nice and different example
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