An Old Muzzleloader

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An Old Muzzleloader

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My grandfather owns this beast.
I haven't been able to track downs its origin, not any more specifically than perhaps… Turkey. I have no idea.
Take a look, opine on the thing.

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Nice :) My guess would be Africa, North Africa, looks a bit too ornate for Turkey, and the symbolism does not look Islamic.
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Next question. What should I do with it in regards to restoration, if anything?
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Nothing at all, this is not a shooter, not if you value your life anyway. Wallhanger, preserved as is.
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That was the plan if the answer was negatory. Thanks boss.
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Interesting anyway. Has a look of a very old stock but appears as if it has a replica percussion system. Is the spark system operational on it?
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It would need very large caps, or a tiny pouch of magnesium fulminate.

It locks and will dry-fire. Definitely enough strength to ignite a cap.
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That is a nifty decorative piece. I have seen similar ones called "Camel Guns".
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It would need very large caps, or a tiny pouch of magnesium fulminate.

It locks and will dry-fire. Definitely enough strength to ignite a cap.

It's also very long. 60" and heavier than lead.
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Millman is correct I believe. I just Googled, camel gun, and got these pictures. https://www.google.com/search?q=camel+g ... B640%3B480
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I didn't know they mounted Gatling Guns on Camels!
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So they were fired using a swivel mounted on the camel?
Makes sense, it's way too long for me to aim.
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Lock looks like it was on a flinter at one time
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I think the camels should have hearing protection. I don't know, maybe camels are deaf. At least the ones who sported Automatic weapons.
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rayjd2 wrote:It would need very large caps, or a tiny pouch of magnesium fulminate.

It locks and will dry-fire. Definitely enough strength to ignite a cap.

It's also very long. 60" and heavier than lead.
I believe the purpose of the long barrel on these guns is to be fired from the back of a camel so the barrel is lengthy to extend past the camel's head. So you don't shoot your camel.
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This jezail has a Brown Bess flint lock with an Enfield 1858 hammer, and some cobbled-together nipple setup. It's a tourist trade gun, and I agree with JYD, strictly a wallhanger.
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entropy wrote:This jezail has a Brown Bess flint lock with an Enfield 1858 hammer, and some cobbled-together nipple setup. It's a tourist trade gun, and I agree with JYD, strictly a wallhanger.
This ^ EXACTLY !!!!!! Hammer could be either 1853 or 1858 Enfield. They are one-and-the-same.
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