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avenger wrote:I really wish it could talk.. i would loved to hear the stories of it on the battlefield... It would be interesting to know if it got anyone or not haha..
Think about that for a moment, would you feel comfortable knowing that the rifle sitting on the gun rack in your room killed somebody's daddy, husband, brother, maybe he was a soldier, or just a civilian in the wrong place, or one of our own in a friendly fire incident. Not everybody in the opposing army was a monster, most were just ordinary working stiffs dragged into a war they would have otherwise done without. They had family's, hopes and dreams that ended in a pool of blood and bowels far from home, in great pain and suffering, and very likely alone. If some magical force could tell you the rifles kill score maybe it could tell you the names of the dead, and what they left behind as well. We know there is a good possibility that these things we collect have been used to take life, maybe many lives, but we don't, and can't know for sure. Most of the time anyway, sometimes you do know some of it, maybe it's score marks left on the wood, or maybe you get it from a veteran who tells you the circumstances of the rifles capture, or use. Or maybe you do a stupid ass thing like have it tested with Luminol and it glows like a neon light. When you know that about a weapon in your collection you never look at it the same way again.
I do agree..now that you put it in that perspective.. just like how we were dragged into Vietnam..many of the opposing forces were dragged into both of the wars... i guess thats a history best kept a secret.. I mean if the rifle could just tell me about different places its been rather than killing people it may be ok
-John
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
I have a US M1903 that could tell you all about the Argonne Forest in France, and a 1888 US Springfield that knows more about Cuba than I do, and a type 53 that knows all about hot humid places in the east...
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Junk Yard Dog wrote:I have a US M1903 that could tell you all about the Argonne Forest in France, and a 1888 US Springfield that knows more about Cuba than I do, and a type 53 that knows all about hot humid places in the east...
That's the thing: I have all these guns that once were carried by men who were staunch allies, uneasy allies, and those completely opposed to one another. They all reside peaceably side by side in the gunroom, now. But what stories they COULD tell...
Somebody give me the info on headspace in these rifles..upon looking to the internet..it seems like they are very forgiving with headspace? The gunshop also has a gun smith..i do think they check their guns before they sell them..it did seem like it had been fired before..cleaning with hoppes brought out green crud like anything that has been shot..
-John
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
Well i shot it today. i took a chance and shot it from my hip for the first shot. .. i checked for split cases..no split cases in the 20 rounds i shot..so id say its excellent I must say i am very impressed..it is VERY accurate. It shoots very well and hits bowling pins very well.. here is a short video of me shooting it.
and here is what a softpoint 30-06 did to a bowling pin
I think its a great gun and was a great purchase for my collection
-John
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
Hip shot? Why? If the rifle burst you may have bid adieu to the hope of any kids Better the bolt goes through the brain, at least that way we are not calling you Alexandra for the rest of your life
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
A lefty, I see. My daughter is right-handed, but shoots much more comfortably left-handed. Dominant left eye, or left-brained(?) She's a great shot though, any way you cut it.
Yeah i am a pretty good shot too for being left handed..the bolt is annoying sometimes that way is all..but im used to it
-John
"Hunting small animals is easy. You shoot at them with this and it lights them on fire and cooks them before you even get to them" -Me when showing picture of M44
"Think about that for a moment, would you feel comfortable knowing that the rifle sitting on the gun rack in your room killed somebody's daddy, husband, brother, maybe he was a soldier, or just a civilian in the wrong place, or one of our own in a friendly fire incident. Not everybody in the opposing army was a monster, most were just ordinary working stiffs dragged into a war they would have otherwise done without. They had family's, hopes and dreams that ended in a pool of blood and bowels far from home, in great pain and suffering, and very likely alone. If some magical force could tell you the rifles kill score maybe it could tell you the names of the dead, and what they left behind as well. We know there is a good possibility that these things we collect have been used to take life, maybe many lives, but we don't, and can't know for sure. Most of the time anyway, sometimes you do know some of it, maybe it's score marks left on the wood, or maybe you get it from a veteran who tells you the circumstances of the rifles capture, or use. Or maybe you do a stupid ass thing like have it tested with Luminol and it glows like a neon light. When you know that about a weapon in your collection you never look at it the same way again."
JYD, you are absolutely right. there is a quote by Erasmus: "War is delightful to those who have not yet experienced it."
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
-George Washington
avenger wrote:I really wish it could talk.. i would loved to hear the stories of it on the battlefield... It would be interesting to know if it got anyone or not haha..
Think about that for a moment, would you feel comfortable knowing that the rifle sitting on the gun rack in your room killed somebody's daddy, husband, brother, maybe he was a soldier, or just a civilian in the wrong place, or one of our own in a friendly fire incident. Not everybody in the opposing army was a monster, most were just ordinary working stiffs dragged into a war they would have otherwise done without. They had family's, hopes and dreams that ended in a pool of blood and bowels far from home, in great pain and suffering, and very likely alone. If some magical force could tell you the rifles kill score maybe it could tell you the names of the dead, and what they left behind as well. We know there is a good possibility that these things we collect have been used to take life, maybe many lives, but we don't, and can't know for sure. Most of the time anyway, sometimes you do know some of it, maybe it's score marks left on the wood, or maybe you get it from a veteran who tells you the circumstances of the rifles capture, or use. Or maybe you do a stupid ass thing like have it tested with Luminol and it glows like a neon light. When you know that about a weapon in your collection you never look at it the same way again.
I'd rather think of the young picket who defies his own fears and stands his post for the sake of his brothers, who deserve nothing less than his absolute willingness to defend them with everything that he has to give, as they would and did make the same sacrifice. His rifle is both his spear and his shield. Now, I have the honor to preserve his rifle so that his courage remains immortal.
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"Self-realization. I was thinking of the immortal words of Socrates, who said, "... I drank what?"
If somebody gut shot you in a potato field I bet you would be something of a grouch afterwards also !
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
[quote="gurn"]Wow, gut shot in a potato field.....potatoes......fried potatoes......steak and fried potatoes....... It only takes one word to get my brain turning.
Damn, glad nobody said Bacon. That word could wreck every thread on the Net.
If at first you don't succeed, reload and try again.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
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