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[P4Palooka]

Howdy,
I'm new to milsurp and would like to soak up some knowledge.

P4P

[Setats]

Hi I'm Ryan. I just bought my first Mosin last week and I'm already addicted. All I want is more

[Junk Yard Dog]

Howdy,
I'm new to milsurp and would like to soak up some knowledge.

P4P

Welcome to the board

[Junk Yard Dog]

Hi I'm Ryan. I just bought my first Mosin last week and I'm already addicted. All I want is more

Hello Ryan, welcome to the board.

[MannyR]

First timer, just purchace a Mosin 44 Tula 1944 with the bayonet lug cut off. Can this part be replace? Sorry if post in wrong location.

[MannyR]

First time to forum. Just bought a Mosin 44 Tula 1944 with the bayonet lug cut off, just the ears. Can I remove the band and restall a new one without any damage to barrel. If possible where can I purchase to parts. Thanks

[craiginct]

back to JYD. thanks for your 2/7 response. I hope you know I was being tongue in cheek about that...

Did I mention that I loved so much the way my MN 91/30 looks without the grease, that I ordered 2 more? It will be interesting to see what J&G sends me this time. I shall be even more careful about the finish than with my first. I think they're supposed to arrive later this week, after the big storm that's headed our way.

Given the sort of ambiguous nature of the rifle sling info, as to what might originally have been issued with my 1938 Tula, I went ahead and bought a leather sling from Cherkasky, Ukraine, purporting to be for the MN 91/30 family of arms. The loops and sling are the right lengths and configurations, almost identically matching the web sling configuration that came in the arsenal bundle with my rifle. The leather sling has the number 22 ink stamped on it (probably an inspector's number), plus the impressed leather tooling stamp "Otto Breitsohub Eiselben" (obviously not Russian or Ukrainian). There are zero internet references to that stamped name, as a whole, although Eiselben is a German town about 25 air miles from Leipzig.

I'm guessing that the leather sling is possibly not WWII era, from the pristine look of it, as it has almost no discoloration or blemishes at all, other than being dark. The brass fittings do have some moderate patina and corrosion as if stored dry for a long time. The leather feels rather dry, as if left untreated for a relatively long period. However, there is a slight 'gun oil' smell to the sling, whether original or 'doctored'. Also, there are brass residue markings from where the main buckle had been located and then relocated, as if someone had used it and then readjusted the sling prior to packaging or storing it. I'm sure that I'll never know, in this life, whether this leather sling is the real deal or just another imitation of original slings that might have been issued to troops. One thing is for sure, given that the place of manufacture was Eiselben, Germany, as stamped, IF this is legit, I am deducing that this sling would NOT have been issued to Russian troops, but to Germans who rearmed with Mosin Nagants. What do you think?

[Junk Yard Dog]

First time to forum. Just bought a Mosin 44 Tula 1944 with the bayonet lug cut off, just the ears. Can I remove the band and restall a new one without any damage to barrel. If possible where can I purchase to parts. Thanks

Welcome to the board Manny, it's not impossible, but it is very difficult to remove, and should be handled by an experienced gunsmith who has access to the correct punches to deal with the pins, gun vice, and so on. I believe Liberty tree collectors did have this part and may still have it, just click the banner at the top of any board page to check their inventory.

[Junk Yard Dog]

back to JYD. thanks for your 2/7 response. I hope you know I was being tongue in cheek about that...

Did I mention that I loved so much the way my MN 91/30 looks without the grease, that I ordered 2 more? It will be interesting to see what J&G sends me this time. I shall be even more careful about the finish than with my first. I think they're supposed to arrive later this week, after the big storm that's headed our way.

Given the sort of ambiguous nature of the rifle sling info, as to what might originally have been issued with my 1938 Tula, I went ahead and bought a leather sling from Cherkasky, Ukraine, purporting to be for the MN 91/30 family of arms. The loops and sling are the right lengths and configurations, almost identically matching the web sling configuration that came in the arsenal bundle with my rifle. The leather sling has the number 22 ink stamped on it (probably an inspector's number), plus the impressed leather tooling stamp "Otto Breitsohub Eiselben" (obviously not Russian or Ukrainian). There are zero internet references to that stamped name, as a whole, although Eiselben is a German town about 25 air miles from Leipzig.

I'm guessing that the leather sling is possibly not WWII era, from the pristine look of it, as it has almost no discoloration or blemishes at all, other than being dark. The brass fittings do have some moderate patina and corrosion as if stored dry for a long time. The leather feels rather dry, as if left untreated for a relatively long period. However, there is a slight 'gun oil' smell to the sling, whether original or 'doctored'. Also, there are brass residue markings from where the main buckle had been located and then relocated, as if someone had used it and then readjusted the sling prior to packaging or storing it. I'm sure that I'll never know, in this life, whether this leather sling is the real deal or just another imitation of original slings that might have been issued to troops. One thing is for sure, given that the place of manufacture was Eiselben, Germany, as stamped, IF this is legit, I am deducing that this sling would NOT have been issued to Russian troops, but to Germans who rearmed with Mosin Nagants. What do you think?

The East Germans were armed with Soviet Mosins shortly after WW2 when they were being molded into a Soviet block buffer state. They later returned the rifles to the USSR were they ended up being refurbished and stored away. You can tell them by a 1, or 2 inside a triangle stamped on the barrel shank near the date. Soviet rifles were issued with any sling that was on hand, mostly cheap to produce web style slings. These have been reproduced, but original Cold War era Soviet web slings can be had for $25 or less. The sling that came with your rifle is the correct sling for it, and as these came out of the same crates the rifles did they are original. With two more rifles you will increase your chances of a bayonet fitting at least one of them as most refurbs are shipped with a bayonet. These days not all refurbs will come with the tool kit , oil bottle, ammo pouch, and sling. Dealers have been selling them on the side for extra cash. I am told it will commence snowing on Wednesday night, and not stop until the middle of next week sometime. Oh joy, I was looking forward to spending 20-30 hours in the loader moving snow.

[craiginct]

Maybe I'll put that leather sling on my 24" barrel Rossi 357 lever action!! give it a nice german feel... hahaha!

[Junk Yard Dog]

Not a bad idea if it fits.

[jungle]

Making first post, my name is jungle and this looks like a good group for Mosin information.
Thanks!

[MannyR]

Hello to all. First time post just pick up my 2nd Mosin a tula 44 1944, minus the bayonet lug. Previous owner removed ears OUCH. Can I remove lug and replace it ? Do have orginal bayonet. Our leave it and injoy . Thanks

[foghead]

Happy me! I've located Mosin-land!

Now to look for info regarding some really odd rifle I have.... You will see questions/pics posted by me.

[Junk Yard Dog]

Making first post, my name is jungle and this looks like a good group for Mosin information.
Thanks!

Welcome to the board

[Junk Yard Dog]

Happy me! I've located Mosin-land!

Now to look for info regarding some really odd rifle I have.... You will see questions/pics posted by me.

Welcome to the board

[JMG]

Long time member of Gunboards, thought I would get an account over here too.
JMG

[Grendel]

Hey guys... I'm Grendel.

Recently turned 24 and realized I've never owned a rifle or any firearm in my life that didn't shoot potatoes or bbs. Dad left Mom back in highschool, so I haven't exactly had a male figure to really explain anything to me about, but the family has a nice bit of property down in Athens Ohio that I've taken down two deer on before with a crap walmart 12ga. I frighten my mother with how good a shot I am with rifled slugs (Just found out last fall those even existed... jesus Christ, pity me) and at around 300 yards with iron sights I can pop milk jugs full of water all day without blinking. Well, seeing as it finally clicked I've been living on my own for so long and I've got a surplus of cash I haven't been spending, I started looking around for a nice serious rifle a couple months. I planned on getting a Marlin 336W for some unknown reason, yes I know, the people at the local gun store kept giving me weird looks when I said it was going to be my first rifle- but I put it off for awhile so I could go take a look a big gun show and maybe find something a little less pricey.

They had a lot of good stuff, especially some nice Marlins, but one gent I wanted to buy a Marlin from almost insisted that I buy a Mosin Nagant off him when I said it was my first rifle. No idea why, he was selling the Mosin for about $165 and the Marlin for around $600, but taking him on his word that it was a real gun I purchased it. Bought about 36 rounds of surplus ammo for ten bucks while I was there and called it a day.

The gun seems in good condition. No rust, the wood is in nice condition, not crazy about the bayonet but that came off easy enough for now, but I haven't had time to go shoot it yet. I've taken it apart and cleaned it a couple times, yet somehow now the bolt won't slide completely out unless I squeeze the trigger in... and the trigger, ironically, actually seems to work better now that I tightened a screw in it. Not to mention the fact the firing pin actually cocks back when I do a test re-load, so I don't have to pull it back everytime like I assumed I had to do.

I'll have some pics up eventually, but I'm optimistic about this little number. I'm not a fan of shotguns and I'm pretty sure I drop a deer with one of these according to the internet. lol

[Junk Yard Dog]

Long time member of Gunboards, thought I would get an account over here too.
JMG

Welcome to the board

[Junk Yard Dog]

Hey guys... I'm Grendel.

Recently turned 24 and realized I've never owned a rifle or any firearm in my life that didn't shoot potatoes or bbs. Dad left Mom back in highschool, so I haven't exactly had a male figure to really explain anything to me about, but the family has a nice bit of property down in Athens Ohio that I've taken down two deer on before with a crap walmart 12ga. I frighten my mother with how good a shot I am with rifled slugs (Just found out last fall those even existed... jesus Christ, pity me) and at around 300 yards with iron sights I can pop milk jugs full of water all day without blinking. Well, seeing as it finally clicked I've been living on my own for so long and I've got a surplus of cash I haven't been spending, I started looking around for a nice serious rifle a couple months. I planned on getting a Marlin 336W for some unknown reason, yes I know, the people at the local gun store kept giving me weird looks when I said it was going to be my first rifle- but I put it off for awhile so I could go take a look a big gun show and maybe find something a little less pricey.

They had a lot of good stuff, especially some nice Marlins, but one gent I wanted to buy a Marlin from almost insisted that I buy a Mosin Nagant off him when I said it was my first rifle. No idea why, he was selling the Mosin for about $165 and the Marlin for around $600, but taking him on his word that it was a real gun I purchased it. Bought about 36 rounds of surplus ammo for ten bucks while I was there and called it a day.

The gun seems in good condition. No rust, the wood is in nice condition, not crazy about the bayonet but that came off easy enough for now, but I haven't had time to go shoot it yet. I've taken it apart and cleaned it a couple times, yet somehow now the bolt won't slide completely out unless I squeeze the trigger in... and the trigger, ironically, actually seems to work better now that I tightened a screw in it. Not to mention the fact the firing pin actually cocks back when I do a test re-load, so I don't have to pull it back everytime like I assumed I had to do.

I'll have some pics up eventually, but I'm optimistic about this little number. I'm not a fan of shotguns and I'm pretty sure I drop a deer with one of these according to the internet. lol

Welcome to the board. The bolt is not supposed to come out unless you squeeze the trigger. The bolt locks it in so it can't just fall out during battle or any other time. Maybe you get a deer, maybe not, best you take that new rifle to the nearest good range and sight it in. These rifles are known to shoot high at short distance under 200 yards, they are also sighted in to shoot dead on with the bayonet either mounted (91/30) or deployed (M44 carbine) without one they tend to shoot off to the left. The Elby sight tool can correct this. The Marlin is an excellent deer rifle with a wide selection of chambering's , I always preferred the old 336 , or better yet my Winchester 1894 in 30.-30. Walmart is not in the gun making business so I will guess the gun was a New England Firearms single shot, or a Mossberg 500 pump, both good quality shotguns, since you said you didn't own any firearms I will assume this was a loan out from family? I keep a Mossberg 500 on hand for just that reason.

Nomenclature, Rifle and gun, a rifle is anything that has striations in the barrel called rifling, a gun is a firearm with a smooth bore. A Mossberg 12 gauge shotgun is a gun, a Mosin 91/30, M1 Garand, British Enfield, Marlin 336, Montgomery Ward .22 , these are all examples of rifles. John Wayne's six shooter is a revolver, A Colt M1911A1 .45 as seen in any WW2 movie ( or a German Luger) Is a pistol

Chances are that 36 rounds of ammo is military surplus, this type of round uses a salt in it's priming compound that is deposited inside the bore during shooting. If left untouched it will begin rusting your weapons bore within hours, or sooner if it's humid. Simple to deal with, boil a quart of water and pour it into the chamber and down the pipe to wash the slat out, then clean the rifle with normal solvent as you would any firearm.