Are you BRAVE enough to fire it ????????

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Collecting over 35 years, never sold anything and only ever gave away two to close friends, storage techniques were developed out of absolute necessity :)
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Brian the Brit wrote:I have just found this , but I don't know if they will ship to Canada , will contact them and see.

http://www.coltparts.com/pt_1892da.html

Will also look at Numrich

Thanks for your help :D
Hey Brian. I think as long as it isn't ammo or firearms you can cross-border shop. Springs, parts, scopes... stuff like that seems to be OK. Nice Colt by the way! :thumbsup:
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Muskets also, one of my Bess's came from Canada.
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:popgun: :popgun: :popgun: :popgun: I would fire it from a vice with a string first if the bore was clear and the barrel didn't have any obvious cracks or bulges.
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Colt Model 1889 "New Navy" in .41 Long Colt - IIRC, the New Navy version had the hard rubber grips and the New Army had wood, but it's been many years since I played with these pistols. This is Colt's first double action, swing-out cylinder handgun, and is pretty historic and collectable...although still not as sought after and collectable as some of the other models, they are becoming more popular. The distinctive feature of this model is the lack of locking notches on the cylinder - this was changed with the introduction of the upgraded Model 1892, and many Model 1889's were sent back to the Colt factory for this update.

Theodore Roosevelt carried one of these "DA" Colts (don't remember if it was an 1889 or a 1892) that had been recovered from the sunken battleship "Maine" in Havanna Harbor with him during the Spanish American War.

I still have one in my collection - a Model 1892 with factory silver (real silver, not nickel) finish and original elephant ivory grips.

As I recall, the short barrel versions of this model like this one are much scarcer than the longer ones. The .41 Long Colt is a pretty difficult round to find that was discontinued in the 1920's or early 1930's - again, it's been a while since I was into these and there might be some current production, and probably expensive, "cowboy" loads for these guns, but when I collected them back in the 1980's the only options were vintage original ammo from the 1930's or earlier, or the scarce, expensive, and sought after Winchester "white box" ammo that was part of a very limited run from the late 1940's-early 1950's era. It's a unique round as far as the case dimensions, so you can't make it out of some other round.

Some parts are out there, but the hand, cylinder ratchet wheel, and the hand are the weak points and will be the hardest to find. The hand spring shouldn't be much of a problem, but if you need the hand itself, you have to make one from a Colt Python hand, as the Python is the only Colt pistol that shares a common origin with the lockwork on these guns. The guns in this series have a cylinder that rotates in the opposite direction from other revolvers, so the hand tends to push the cylinder out away from the frame instead of into it, which causes much of the wear and other problems with them. These guns were discontinued around 1909 or so - the last military version was a U.S. Marine Corps Model 1909, and there was a rather scarce, well made, and quite beautiful when in good condition, variation that is the original "Officer's Model" target pistol. The replacement for these in Colt's revolver line-up was the "Army Special/Official Police" model - these were also offered in .41 Long Colt for a while.

Assuming the cylinder and barrel line up, I would have no problem firing it with an appropriate load. Notice I didn't say "lock up tight", because, with no locking notches in the cylinder, they don't lock up tight. Because of the timing problems caused by wear to the locking latch and cylinder hand, these old Cold "DA" pistols sometimes have the barrel cracked at the throat.
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Brian the Brit wrote:LMAO ,,,, How many have you got ?
I just ordered a Polish TT33 , My wife will be so happy with me :x She just dose not understand that I need one for the collection :D
Dam it , He not busy being born is busy dying .
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I made my own black powder 44-40 loads to fire in the Colt 1878, enough to fire it six times so I could say I did, and now it's retired.
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I'd pass on shooting it. something about the missing cylinder release. :wink: I worked on a .38 Colt New Army once, very similar gun. Numrich had the parts then.

I also found out something I will pass along, just in case it applies to the .41 also. The .38 Colt cylinder did not have a step in it. Revolvers usually have a step just ahead of the max case length to prevent chambering the wrong ammo or a correct cartridge that is stretched way too long. Since these were among the first modern revolvers made, they were omitted for some odd reason. (Save a machining step, I'd guess.) I was able to chamber a .357 Magnum round in the Model 1892 ! :big shock: Both the .38 Special and the .357 Magnum will chamber in these revolvers; THEY SHOULD NEVER BE FIRED WITH EITHER .38 SPECIAL OR .357 MAGNUM AMMUNITION! They were not designed for the higher pressures generated by them; the lockwork is rather anemic and goes out of time easily. The .357 Federal Maximum is longer than the cylinder, so no worries there.
I do not know if the .41 Long Colt New Navy version you have will chamber any other cartridges, i.e., .41 Remington Magnum, I don't recall whether the chambers are stepped or not. Obviously, if they are not, the same caveat applies.

If you get it into working shape, I really recommend hand loading very light loads for it if you plan on shooting it. As I mentioned, these were not the strongest action, (Though some of the stronger ones of the 20th century derived from the .41's frame: the Python, Officer's Model Match, etc.) Good luck in your endeavor in restoring this old warhorse! :)
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.357 in that 19th century BP revolver.........yea, that would be......a real blast all right, then the pretty red lights, men in turnout coats......
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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