My first Mosin, 1935 91/30 Verification needed

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Re: My first Mosin, 1935 91/30 Verification needed

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:welcome:

As far as a Maused goes I have a Yugo M 48 that shoots very good, and are more plentiful.
8 MM and is a very nice rifle
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What you have is an almost sniper, a rifle selected as good enough to be used as a sniper and so marked, but in the end it was not needed as such. You see this a lot with Tula, Izhevsk didn't seem to mark their snipers in a similar fashion. Of course all of this is only guess work as the Soviets don't share small arms production information with us. An educated guess, seeing as how real Tula snipers are all marked with the CH, it carries over to surmise that rifles selected for the program and not used would be similarly marked. None of that matters now, these rifles are 70 years old or older, have seen decades of service and years of war. They are no longer the brand new rifles they were when first accuracy tested at the arsenal, if tested today their slightly ( or more than slightly) worn lands and crowns would disqualify them for anything more than what they are, rifles selected as still good enough to be refurbished for militia use, as infantry rifles.
I heard mention of resnipering, as this rifle was never a sniper in the first place the term resnipering would not apply. In any event returning a one time sniper to original is not possible, it's original parts are long gone, and as it is not possible to replace metal worn out of the bore the rifle can never be returned to sniper accuracy standards. A pointless waste of time and money to create a fake piece of history that has dubious value as even a shooter, enjoy your rifle as the infantry rifle it is and always has been.
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That is a beautiful rifle my friend :thumbsup:
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Re: My first Mosin, 1935 91/30 Verification needed

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Welcome to the forum. You got a nice first Mosin Nagant, and I would suggest leaving it as is. If you want a sniper, there are authentic ones out there to be had, but 600 to 800 is what you will pay.

By the way, from your pictures, I would have to bet that the stock was refinsished by a previous owner. I say that because the dog collar sling inserts look too clean, as if the metal was lightly sanded. Additionally, the finish does not look like the typical Russian red shellac; more like a red mahogany stain and a satin oil finish. Nevertheless, the rifle looks really nice. :thumbsup:
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The sling holes were covered in shellac when I got it, but were also covered in cosmoline. While trying to remove the cosmoline the shellac just peeled right off.
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Trying to turn a Mosin ex sniper into a modern scoped rifle is an exercise in false frugality and may end up being very expensive and frustrating for you. Just go out and buy a mosern scoped Remchester and you will be money and time ahead believe me. This a refurbed battle rifle you have bought and not a modern target rifle. It will shoot battle accuracy and is history in your hands but it is not and never will be no matter how much money and time and effort you put into it be a modern hunting or target rifle. Believe me you are barking up the wrong tree and heading the wrong way! It will peel and flake shellac during its whole life in your hands and thet is more than likely what the hurried finish was meant to do. Enjoy it for what it is and you will be on the right path my friend. Congrats on a great rifle and enjoy shooting it! Oh and even with patience and control a blind old fart like me gets better with practice! Shoot as often as you can! Welcome a board! Bill :wink:
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apparently my barrel has been floated at some point. I took a dollar bill and ran it down between the barrel and the stock with the receiver and trigger bolted into the stock and it didnt hang up at all until i got down to just behind the rear sight where the barrel dimensions change. Im rather impressed by this. I didnt think the Russians would do something like that.
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Gunner, welcome to the forum. It is apparent that you have done some extensive studying on these and like to read up on them. You have a real nice rifle, and it's historically correct for what it is as long as you don't mess with it. It sounds like you have a real interest in the wartime rifles based on the list of wanted rifles. If you spend the time with this rifle and take care of it, you may find, as I did, that the more you shoot it and become familiar with it, the more you may appreciate the iron sights, just as they were used in battle. In my opinion, even non-permanent scope mounting looks wrong when using modern scopes. Modern scopes just detract from the original historical appearance and don't work without using a incorrect bent bolt, or worst of all modifying your bolt. You can use a scout mount, with a long eye relief pistol scope. There again modern scope on a old rifle. Heck I have even seen people put red dot sights on them. What I have found is the more you study these and get to know them, the easier it becomes to see their historical value. I have always been able to learn from other's mistakes, and when it comes to milsurps, I am really glad looking back that I didn't screw up my rifles.
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