Looking for opinions.
Looking for opinions.
When the taxes come rolling back, I plan on setting up for reloading. I've been looking at the Lee Precision Challenger Breech Lock system, in the big package. Anybody own/use one? From what I've read, and the YouTube videos I've seen, they seem to be an awesome investment. Is it worth it, or is it better to go to the higher-end models?
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Lee is the best i think. I used to own the green kind and i prefer the red now. I bought an anniversary kit for like $80 and i have used the crap out of it with no trouble. I would recomend you get a primer tool also. Save your money for more dies and get the lee.

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Most everybody starts with Lee, later on you might find you need something more involved and then go to RCBS, but the kit you are looking at is ideal for a first timer, and you can't beat Lees prices. I use a lot of Lee equipment and have no problems with any of it.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
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I have an RCBS press, and Lee dies. I am satisfied with the results.
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I am an absolutely loyal Lee fan. I'd start with the Lee reloading manual. You don't have to wait till taxes come in to start reading the manual.it us way more than reloading data. It tells all aspects of ballistics and how to reload properly.
Re: Looking for opinions.
Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it.desdem12 wrote:Lee is the best i think. I used to own the green kind and i prefer the red now. I bought an anniversary kit for like $80 and i have used the crap out of it with no trouble. I would recomend you get a primer tool also. Save your money for more dies and get the lee.![]()
Sounds like I'll be patronizing Lee. Thanks again everybody for the input!
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You are correct that will work. For a great deal on Lee you gotta check out Factorysales.com you wont believe the good price they have. I think they are the company outlet store. I have had excellent service from them.
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Thanks again BD! I bookmarked their site, looks pretty good. I think Cheaper Than Dirt can beat them on some things, not on others. Haven't checked Midway USA or Brownell's yet. Gotta find the best deal. Appreciate the info.bunkysdad wrote:You are correct that will work. For a great deal on Lee you gotta check out Factorysales.com you wont believe the good price they have. I think they are the company outlet store. I have had excellent service from them.
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Yes the primer arm comes with the kit but i like the primer tool cause it has a better feel for seating the primer. I think it is much easier to do it that way then with the arm. Last time i checked thay were about $30 for one. You can start though without one. I have had the rock chucker too but i like the lee better. 
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The priming tool is easy to use, and not that expensive, you can get a few of them, one for each type of primer you use.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Re: Looking for opinions.
I load a lot of pistol ammunition (.38 spl and .45 ACP) and have an old Star machine that is great for the .38's and a Dillon for my .45's, My rifle ammunition is loaded on a Lyman turret press but I use all brands of dies with good results. I would suggest a couple of reloading manuals as well as the free ones the powder and bullet makers put out. Good luck,have fun but be careful. Even on my Dillon which throws very consistant powder charges I weigh every ten charges.
Damn, I'll bet that's going to leave a mark! Probably hurt too!
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"I think Congressmen should wear uniforms,
you know, like NASCAR drivers, so we could
identify their corporate sponsors."
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All caveats and suggestions duly noted and recorded! Thanks again guys. 
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I prime using the priming arm on the press. I have never really felt the need for anything else. I would suggest a powder measure. I have been dipping the powder into the scale and then trickling it to wieght, but this is SLOW. Hopefully I will have one in my stocking this year.
“Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” George Orwell, English novelist, essayist, and critic, 1903-1950
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
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Lee stuff is good the only thing I'd change is get a electronic scale to weigh them charges. The scoops run a little shy of the charge on their sliding scale.
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I like the hand primer for the reason mentioned already. You can feel the seating of the primer. You can add one to your equipment anytime if you really like reloading. You can get a digital scale (prices all over the place). Mine is a cheap one. Or a beam type scale works good. but I like the drop powder measures. I read all these things in the Lee reloading manual and have found it interesting to return to for refresher reading.
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I like the lee powder measure better than the rcbs it is way way more consistant. And if you get a electronic scale i would suggest a better quality one. I have a cheap franklin one and it is easier to use the lee scale then it. 
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You can't beat the Star machine for .38 special, I loaded over 4000 rounds of it in a few days using that machine, a work of art.
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
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JCAM!!!! I've got a sweet Arminius HW38 .357 Mag. with a 6" barrel (it stays on my nightstand). I should stop by some time and help you put a dent in your .38 Special supply!Junk Yard Dog wrote:You can't beat the Star machine for .38 special, I loaded over 4000 rounds of it in a few days using that machine, a work of art.
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I've wondered about the accuracy of the scoops that came with the die sets, thanks for the info. knssrtrd. I've got a pretty good little digital scale that I use to check the accuracy of my black powder charger, so that part's covered. I'm looking forward to getting some reloading done, kinda like getting back together with an old friend.knssrtrd wrote:Lee stuff is good the only thing I'd change is get a electronic scale to weigh them charges. The scoops run a little shy of the charge on their sliding scale.
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Black powder is measured by volume, never by weight, only smokeless powder is measured by weight. Never use any measuring device intended for black powder on smokeless powder.
I bought out the contents of a long shut down gun/reloading shop back in 2008, along with the machine I got components for 4-5 thousand rounds of .38 special waddcutters. I use them as practice rounds in my GP100, I don't know how many I shot up over the years, but I seem to have empty .38 size boxes again so it's been a bit
I might have to fire up the machine again soon, I still have a crate of empty brass, a bag of bullets, and three, or four pounds of 60's vintage bullseye powder, just short on primers.
I bought out the contents of a long shut down gun/reloading shop back in 2008, along with the machine I got components for 4-5 thousand rounds of .38 special waddcutters. I use them as practice rounds in my GP100, I don't know how many I shot up over the years, but I seem to have empty .38 size boxes again so it's been a bit
Leave it as it is. The ages have been at work on it and man can only mar it.
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt
Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.
Theodore Roosevelt


