Trigger Pull: M1891 vs 91/30

[severedirkitis]

Took my recently acquired M1891 firearm out to the range a couple of days ago, along with my 91/30. The trigger pull on the M1891 seems to be so much longer than my 91/30....considering they have the same mechanism, does that make any sense?

And as a side note, I knew the M1891 was going to be heavier than the 91/30 since it's longer, but the difference was more than I expected - wow!

[bunkysdad]

How much the stock has been sanded during refurb, oil absorption, etc.. May affect how heavy the gun feels also. I have a Hungarian m44 non refurb that is as heavy or heavier than my Izhevsk and the Hungarian is missing the bayonet. Wear on internal parts, armorors adjustments, manufacturing quality, etc... May affect how the trigger feels. Each rifle tends to have it's own little "personality". The fun is in trying them out and getting to know each one better.

[desdem12]

I swear the huns are the heaviest of the bunch, it's like they wanted a club and they decided to make it shoot as an after thought

[Marcus]

Mosins are all individuals and the trigger pull, release pressure, smoothness of the bolt, etc. can vary a lot between different rifles, even rifles of the same model, year, and armory. Add to this the fact that most have been rebuilt multiple times for as much as over a century and can have mixed parts from several arsenals (and possibly several countries) and you have even more opportunites for variation.

When you consider that the only main difference between an M91 and a 91/30 is a few inches of barrel and stock, there is a noticable differance in weight, balance, and handling between them...of course, this is also the case with a 91/30 and an M38.

[Junk Yard Dog]

You want consistently good trigger pull try the M39, every one I have feels pretty much the same and being a Finn trigger it's good. Most milsurps will have a heavy trigger pull, they know nervous soldiers will be playing with the trigger during tense moments, and they don't want any ND's

[zeebill]

Me I like the trigger pulls on the 91/59's! The very best trigger pull on just about everyone of all the straight Russian or Com block rifles hands down. Had only one that was a bit shakey when I got it. Degreasing and reassembly solved all it's problems so I was happy. Had a bunch of 91/59's and pared them down now to around 3 or so now but they were all pretty slick when cleaned and reassembled. Some of them were much better than many of the Finn rifles I have now or even had and sold or traded. Another plus is the carbine size makes them easy to handle in the brush and woods, great hunting rifles! Bill

[bunkysdad]

Yeah Bill I believe you on that. There have been many stories around here saying the same thing about the 91/59. I had one in my hands a few years ago at the Dallas Gun Show and it was 160.00. I should have bought it! I still don't have one yet.

[pacolo90]

For some reason with my M38, most of the time when i put the bolt back into the down postion after firing and ejecting the casing and loading a new round, it takes some force to get it back down there, but then sometimes it closes back all the way just fine. anyone know how this can be fixed? my 91/30 is smooth as ever though.

[desdem12]

I am betting you have a burred extractor face. Sometimes it goes over a shell and sometimes the burr catches. So to find out take the bolt out and look at the extractor. It has a little angled face on it, it should be smooth. If not is probly catching on the rim of the shell while loading. It can be polished lightly but becareful as they are easy to break.

[pacolo90]

I am betting you have a burred extractor face. Sometimes it goes over a shell and sometimes the burr catches. So to find out take the bolt out and look at the extractor. It has a little angled face on it, it should be smooth. If not is probly catching on the rim of the shell while loading. It can be polished lightly but becareful as they are easy to break.

thanks des, i will look at it when i get home

[Junk Yard Dog]

The 91/59 was built to a different standard, while most of it's construction is similar to what is found on any Soviet refurb they did take extra steps. On my own 91/59's I see efforts to smooth out the tool marks on the rough 1942's wartime receiver. The bluing is more commercial than military, the triggers are nicely done, and they are a definite step above most other Soviet Mosins as far as accuracy goes. They also tend away from the red shellac.

[polymerase2]

There is a lot of variation on the Mosins. I have a T53 with a trigger that has no second stage, It just slides for a bit then releases. The laminated 43 has a very stout pull. the M38 is sweet, the Finn M91 is sweet, but the 34 Tula also has a very nice trigger. I think wear smooths the trigger.
I have found two refurbs that came to me with loose sear spring screws so be sure to check them
In fact, I need to borrow my friends trigger pull gauge, it would be interesting to check the pulls on the Mosins.

[Junk Yard Dog]

That gauge is on my list of things to acquire, for the moment I just use experience and arthritic fingers. If it don't hurt to pull then it's a great trigger, if it hurts the trigger sucks.

[zeebill]

There is a lot of variation on the Mosins. I have a T53 with a trigger that has no second stage, It just slides for a bit then releases. The laminated 43 has a very stout pull. the M38 is sweet, the Finn M91 is sweet, but the 34 Tula also has a very nice trigger. I think wear smooths the trigger.
I have found two refurbs that came to me with loose sear spring screws so be sure to check them
In fact, I need to borrow my friends trigger pull gauge, it would be interesting to check the pulls on the Mosins.

The electronic one I have shows about 5 to 6 pounds of trigger pull on most normal Mosins I have checked. Now not all are normal so to say. The RV27 I have is the slickest of all Finn triggers I have ever owned and breaks at about 3 pounds and a little. Almost too light for a target rifle and here we are talking about a battle rifle with lots of use. WVChuck is scared to death of it and says it is way too light to be safe. I have checked it many times using the cocked trigger and bouncing it on my rubber pad for as many as a dozen times with no release. It is locked up tight and safe but Boy does it feel light when you shoot it. I am on the watch though because I for sure know that trigger has gotten lighter with use. I may be getting near the ragged edge with that one so I am on guard there for sure! Going the other way I have some after cleaning and reassembly go as high as the guage will read before they release, I am thinking that is 10 pounds but I can't recall just now for sure. I know one thing the worst I ever had was a Balkan M91 which took two hands to pull the trigger when I tried to dry fire it after cleaning and reassembly. I am not at liberty to say what I did to solve the problem as it became a "Parts Rifle" of sorts. Bill

[Junk Yard Dog]

10 pounds! Sounds like a Nagant revolver

[MosinJohn]

I swear the huns are the heaviest of the bunch, it's like they wanted a club and they decided to make it shoot as an after thought

Could very well be, the Hungarians used beech wood in their stocks, which is much denser than birch.

[bunkysdad]

The 91/59 was built to a different standard, while most of it's construction is similar to what is found on any Soviet refurb they did take extra steps. On my own 91/59's I see efforts to smooth out the tool marks on the rough 1942's wartime receiver. The bluing is more commercial than military, the triggers are nicely done, and they are a definite step above most other Soviet Mosins as far as accuracy goes. They also tend away from the red shellac.

I know why this is, are you ready? I heard it's because they were secretly made in the very controvertial Molot factory!

Just kiddin, but it would be devious to get that started again!:P